[MD] The Academy is Evil! Here's what I'd do instead...

[Ian Glendinning]

This John, is why I don't bother much with following MD threads ...

I inject a rational, balanced comment, (ignored) and the protagonists
continue with their slanging matches from extremist positions. People
on the whole prefer to fight than to actively find ground worth
agreeing on. Sod-all to do with philosophical dialogue.

Don't know why I do bother. Pass me the cup, Socrates.
Ian

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:27 AM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm, no.  But I have at least held jobs.  Sure beats doing what you
> are doing.  Who is supporting you now?  I can't believe that someone
> who has never held a real job is taking a position here.  Go get your
> next handout, dude.
>
> You sir, are a good example of the problem with the world today
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:10 PM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Got fired for your crackpot ideas, didn't you? And you take that to mean that the whole world is wrong and you're right. Huh?
>> Like I said, the immune system is there for a reason. You sir, are exhibit "A" in the case for strict academic standards.
>>
>>>
>>> Hi dmb,
>>>
>>> Are you kidding me?  How many academic professionals do you know?  You
>>> are operating in a dream world, dmb.  I don't even feel like setting you
>>> straight.  I suppose if you agree with the way academics is going, then you
>>> are part of the problem.  Do you think continuing tenure is based on
>>> intellectual qualities?   Perhaps you spent too much time in the ivory
>>> tower.  Maybe you want to become a professor.  Well, if you can't do, then
>>> you teach, so it may be appropriate.  Get out now and again, it might do you
>>> good.  Please don't insult us with your naivete.  It makes this forum
>>> look ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:38 PM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > John said:
>>> > ...I'm certainly not a fan of any kind of "anything goes" mentality which
>>> > throws open the doors to any nutjob with a holy book and an agenda. ...But
>>> > the wholesale adoption of a values-free worldview, and the almost
>>> > police-state-like imposition of this worldview has crippled true
>>> > intellectual debate and growth oughta be checked somehow.
>>> >
>>> > dmb says:
>>> > Police state-like imposition of a values-free worldview? That doesn't sound
>>> > like a fair criticism of academia. It sounds more like a paranoid conspiracy
>>> > theory. In the real world, I think it would be hard to find an academic
>>> > professional who did not rate academic freedom as one the their most
>>> > cherished ideals. The ability to think independently, critically and
>>> > creatively are the things that earn respect in that that world. To the
>>> > extent that intellectuals get famous or earn a good reputation, it's based
>>> > on intellectual qualities. And what's wrong with that? Why shouldn't we
>>> > value good thinking and good ideas? If there is a better way to do it,
>>> > nobody has thought of it yet. But you can bet your bottom dollar that there
>>> > is a small tribe of scholars working on that question too.
>>> >
>>> > Police state, my ass. Try to find any institution that's more open to new
>>> > ideas or more concerned with intellectual freedom. I honestly can't think of
>>> > one single example. Can you?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> >
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