[MD] Trust in Philosophy

Sat Dec 4 02:15:53 PST 2010

Hi John.

Probably i did not make myself clear enough.

I tought ,; reading zam would or should make it  quit obvious that his
sparkplug-problem during the ride was not a sparkplug that was too tightly
screwed
into the head.

The plug kept on getting grey brown, black, white in a alternating pattern,
Pirsig is asking himself the question how on earth it is possible that on a
bike that is properly adjusted, the plug once shows to be black and polluted
and once on another occasion shows to be white or brownish, when checked,
the adjustment stays the same however.
Pirsig calls it a mystery.It kept on following the ride.There was a reason,
as i found out.

So , it is not about getting stuck on a sparkplug that is not willing to
come off.
Or about how to unscrew it.
Its about unscrewing the mystery, not the book.

But why am i telling you all off this, as an expert on Pirsig's ZAM and
LILA,you must be able to find it eh? tell you wat, i'll help you a little
bit.

zam page 53 e-copy

We are at the classic-romantic barrier now, where on one side we see a cycle
as it appears immediately...and this is an important way of seeing it...and
where on the other side we can begin to see it as a mechanic does in terms
of underlying form...and this is an important way of seeing things too.
These tools for example...this wrench...has a certain romantic beauty to it,
but its purpose is always purely classical. It’s designed to change the
underlying form of the machine.
The porcelain inside this first plug is very dark. That is classically as
well as romantically ugly because it means the cylinder is getting too much
gas and not enough air. The carbon molecules in the gasoline aren’t finding
enough oxygen to combine with and they’re just sitting here loading up the
plug. Coming into town yesterday the idle was loping a little, which is a
symptom of the same thing.
Just to see if it’s just the one cylinder that’s rich I check the other one.
They’re both the same. I get out a pocket knife, grab a stick lying in the
gutter and whittle down the end to
clean out the plugs, wondering what could be the cause of the richness. That
wouldn’t have anything to do with rods or valves. And carbs rarely go out of
adjustment. The main jets are oversized, which causes richness at high
speeds but the plugs were a lot cleaner than this before with the same jets.
Mystery. You’re always surrounded by them. But if you tried to solve them
all, you’d never get the machine fixed. There’s no immediate answer so I
just leave it as a hanging question.
-------------------------------------------
As you were taking the challenge , John,i like to help you with it , so i'v.
peeled
it out of zam(nothing is changed)

Robert left it hanging as a mystery, "we are surrounded by them"..

Soichiro Honda himself helped me out with the answer, and yes , i knew him ,
and yes i work for honda, as a factory worker.Really true all the way.

Okay extra tip, lean , rich,even with changed jets, solve it, killer'-)...
Adrie

2010/12/4 John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>

> Thanks for the challenge, Adrie.
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:03 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, what does a car factory worker know eh?
> > Been reading your postings the last few days,som ething took my
> > "attention",
> > John, the line in wich you were talking to mark, telling
> > him about this-; These guys have no idea about motorcycle
> > repair,they do not have the right toolkit,------
> > clearly casted towards me and DMB, in reflection on DMB'S
> > long abstraction on zam, the som analogy.
> >
>
> Casted more along the lines of the thread, I think it was Andre, who was
> talking about drills and such... but ok, you want the shoe, I'll let you
> wear it.
>
>
> > I told you som e time ago , that i have my doubts on your
> > knowledge of LILA and ZAM, i challenged you then, btw, to test you out.
> >
>
> You told me you would honour the possible questions with an answer.
> > I decided later on , not to ask any.
> >
> >
> All correct in my memory as well.
>
>
>
> > Coming back to this point today, as you like to mention
> > me being a car factory worker, i like to ask you a question that
> > combines 3 things.
> >
> > 1 , solving one of Pirsig's mystery's in zam, the sparkplug problem he
> > talks
> > about, it was real and genuine, he really had big trouble with it.
> >
> > 2, try to outsmart a car factory worker , and Pirsig, by solving the
> > mystery.
> > Show me how good you are, the hints and leads are in zam.
> > The solution , however , is not.
> >
> > 3, show me how smart you are, how good your toolbox is filled with
> hightech
> > tools and knowledge about motorcycle repair.
> > Show us all , how to loosen up a tight screw with your brain.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Well, first off, thanks for the challenge.  A stuck spark plug is not an
> easy thing to fix, not at all.  I've been thinking about this all day.
> Well, when I wasn't thinking about other stuff, but while driving and
> helping Lu get the stage ready for this week's play... I was thinking about
> spark plugs.
>
> First off, I'd remove the head.  I mean if the normal lubricants and
> heating
> didn't work, and I can see how this might happen, especially if perhaps
> there is corrosion as well as build up from carbon for some mis-fit reason?
> So I'll just assume, as you say, that you're really, really stuck.  In that
> case, the head is going to have to come off.
>
> Now, there might be fancy ways to get this done, but I'm a fairly
> simplistic
> guy.  I'm a carpenter, and we have a saying "get a bigger hammer".  I think
> I'd try and break the spark plug off, using this fabled hammer.  Unless the
> head easily allowed access to the spark plug from the ignition side, then I
> guess I wouldn't need to break off the plug, and I wouldn't.
>
> Now I'd take a carborendum bit, around 1/8th or 3/16ths and carefully drill
> around in a circle, getting a purchase where I could, to drill out the
> spark
> plug in a very brutal and boring fashion, retap the threads and reinstall
> according to factory specs.
>
> Might not work for the emperor, but it works for me.
>
> My regards to the emperor,
>
> John
> Moq_Discuss mailing list
> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> Archives:
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> http://moq.org/md/archives.html
>

-- 
parser