[MD] Sex, Rape and Law in a MOQ

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Mark]
Yes you do.  You state that rape law is meant to control the biological.  I am
discussing this with you in a respective manner.

[Arlo]
No I did not. I said, again, "rape law" (intellectual patterns) are meant to
control "rape stigma" (social patterns) which are in turn meant to control
sexual behavior (biological patterns).

[Mark]
Yes, I can see your Western logic here. 

[Arlo]
You said this several times and its nothing more than an empty attempt at a
pejorative. I could start of every one of my responses to you with a similar
dismissal, if you like.

[Mark]
You are applying intellectual patterns to justify intellectual patterns.  This
will not work.

[Arlo]
This makes no sense at all.

[Mark]
I do see rape more as an intrusion into personal freedom or personal property
if you want.

[Arlo]
The social level sees "rape" as an intrusion on property but based on the view
that the "victim" is the property of someone else; hence the "immorality" of
the act as seen from the social level. 

The intellectual level corrects the social level by seeing "rape" as a form of
violence, immoral because it violates the person's freedom to control their
body.

This is why on the social level, husbands could not rape their wives. By
definition, their wives were their property, so "raping" them was impossible.
It is only on the intellectual level does "freedom" appear where the view is on
the individual's control of their own body. And, it is also why on the
biological level, "rape" does not exist.

[Mark]
Yes you can, but it doesn't lead anywhere new.

[Arlo]
Sure it does, it fits a MOQ to the "T" (or the "M" as it were). 

The social level, being one-up from the biological, views the act as sexual,
and uses shame, humiliation and violence (again, often against the victim as
well). You can see this clearly in cultures dominated by social patterns.

On the intellectual level, it sees the act as one of violence, a social act
rather than a sexual one, and "rape laws" were enacted to control the social
level not the biological one. I think is quite clear in cultures dominated by
intellectual patterns. 

[Mark]
Let me suggest that the biological urges create and therefore dominate the
social expression of rape laws.

[Arlo]
Rape laws, like free speech laws, are intellectual patterns, not social
patterns. 

Can you explain to me how you think "biological urges" create and dominate
social patterns? How does "sex" create "rape"? Why should "sex" dominate "rape"?

[Mark]
It is impossible to dominate from the top down.

[Arlo]
I see "dominance" more like gardening, getting rid of the weeds to help the
plant grow. The social level's attempts to "dominate" biology are an act of
self-preservation. The same is true of intellect/society. Laws protecting
free-speech are intellectual "domination" of the social level, where people
could be stoned for voicing ideas.