[MD] Stuck on a Torn Slot

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Hi Arlo,

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:30 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:
> [Mark before]
> This is a tricky slope you are on.  My contention is that rape is a social
> construct, you agree with this.  Rape does not exist at the biological level,
> so there is nothing to control there.  You propose that to rape is a biological
> urge.
>
> [Arlo]
> No. I said that to have sex is a biological urge. "Rape" is (initially) a
> social level stigma designed to control that biological urge. Intellectual
> patterns such as "rape law" is designed to control the social level rape stigma.

[Mark]
I can see that we are at an impasse here.  What I am suggesting is to
look at things through the view of Quality, not Western logic.  It is
a different perspective, one that requires a new view.  I think Pirsig
called this spiritual rationalism.  Rape is an intellectual construct
for a social law.  It has nothing to do with the concept of the urge
for sex, they are separated by levels.  Each level has it's own
consciousness or rules.

My paradigm is one of growth rather than control.  Yours is the
opposite.  I think we can leave it at that.  I cannot explain it to
you using your Western format.  This is the dilemma that Phaedrus
(Pisig) entered into that removed the ground from under his feet.  It
is a different paradigm.

I don't see any use in talking across each other.  You say it is
controlling biology, I say it is not.  I am fine with that.  We can
agree on other things.
>
Cheers,
Mark
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