[MD] Sex, Rape and Law in a MOQ

[Horse]

Marsha

Reproduction - sex
Hunger - eat
Thirst - drink
Breathing - er, breathing
etc.

All of the above are physical activities and exist at the 
inorganic/biological levels.
I.e. they are not social or intellectual.

Horse

On 05/12/2010 16:00, MarshaV wrote:
> Horse,
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> I think sexual behavior and strategies are built to adapt to the social environment.  I think reproduction is a biological drive like hunger, thirst and breathing, processes required for survival, pure drive.  I think our understanding of the word sex is different.  You seem to be using it more as a reproductive act, and I see it more as the social ritual&etc., which includes giving and receiving pleasure.
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> That's it Horse.  No more.
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> Marsha
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> p.s.  I'm biting my tongue not to ask what horses do.   ;-)
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> On Dec 5, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Horse wrote:
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>> Sexual behaviour and strategies are built into the biological level - otherwise there would be no biological level and nothing for the social level to emerge from. Sex and reproduction developed at the biological level - later, social rituals evolved around sex.
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>> On 05/12/2010 15:23, MarshaV wrote:
>>> Hi Horse,
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>>> I see the biological level more process-bound, therefore reproduction.  In my book sex is more about cultural rituals, therefore social level.  It's the strategies within the culture to accomplish the biological process.
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>>> Marsha
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>>> On Dec 5, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Horse wrote:
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>>>> Hi Marsha
>>>> Or how about sex is one method by which the means of reproduction is achieved - there are other methods of reproduction. And, often, we get to sex by the social 'dance' - literally in some cases! The only way I can see sex as social is when group sex or orgies are on the menu - making sex about pleasure and not reproduction.
>>>> If sex is social then instances of sex (as opposed to reproduction) means that many biological biological entities (and certainly all mammals) are social entities.
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>>>> Horse
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>>>> On 05/12/2010 14:27, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>> How about 'reproduction' is biological, and 'sex' is social?
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>>>>> On Dec 5, 2010, at 9:03 AM, John Carl wrote:
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>>>>>> Arlo, Mark,
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>>>>>>   Sex is social.  The sexual urge is biological, I'll grant you.  Nocturnal
>>>>>> emission or masturbation is biological, I'll grant you.  But sex takes two
>>>>>> and occurs through a complex of social negotiation.  Even rape is a
>>>>>> sociopathic behavior rather than a merely biological urge.  In fact, it's
>>>>>> pretty widely known that rape is due more to rage issues than mere
>>>>>> horniness.
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>>>>>> This is a recurring disagreement I have with most of MD.  Mark in a
>>>>>> following post says the urge to freedom is biological.  I disagree
>>>>>> completely, as I believe all emotions have social roots - the caring about
>>>>>> self in the relation to others.  Biologically, our bodies would probably be
>>>>>> quite happy kept in a pod and fed all necessary nutrients.
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