[MD] Sex, Rape and Law in a MOQ

[MarshaV]

Horse,

I think sexual behavior and strategies are built to adapt to the social environment.  I think reproduction is a biological drive like hunger, thirst and breathing, processes required for survival, pure drive.  I think our understanding of the word sex is different.  You seem to be using it more as a reproductive act, and I see it more as the social ritual &etc., which includes giving and receiving pleasure.   

That's it Horse.  No more. 

Marsha


p.s.  I'm biting my tongue not to ask what horses do.   ;-)   
 
 
 


On Dec 5, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Horse wrote:

> Sexual behaviour and strategies are built into the biological level - otherwise there would be no biological level and nothing for the social level to emerge from. Sex and reproduction developed at the biological level - later, social rituals evolved around sex.
> 
> On 05/12/2010 15:23, MarshaV wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Horse,
>> 
>> I see the biological level more process-bound, therefore reproduction.  In my book sex is more about cultural rituals, therefore social level.  It's the strategies within the culture to accomplish the biological process.
>> 
>> Marsha
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>> 
>> On Dec 5, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Horse wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha
>>> Or how about sex is one method by which the means of reproduction is achieved - there are other methods of reproduction. And, often, we get to sex by the social 'dance' - literally in some cases! The only way I can see sex as social is when group sex or orgies are on the menu - making sex about pleasure and not reproduction.
>>> If sex is social then instances of sex (as opposed to reproduction) means that many biological biological entities (and certainly all mammals) are social entities.
>>> 
>>> Horse
>>> 
>>> On 05/12/2010 14:27, MarshaV wrote:
>>>> How about 'reproduction' is biological, and 'sex' is social?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 5, 2010, at 9:03 AM, John Carl wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Arlo, Mark,
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Sex is social.  The sexual urge is biological, I'll grant you.  Nocturnal
>>>>> emission or masturbation is biological, I'll grant you.  But sex takes two
>>>>> and occurs through a complex of social negotiation.  Even rape is a
>>>>> sociopathic behavior rather than a merely biological urge.  In fact, it's
>>>>> pretty widely known that rape is due more to rage issues than mere
>>>>> horniness.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is a recurring disagreement I have with most of MD.  Mark in a
>>>>> following post says the urge to freedom is biological.  I disagree
>>>>> completely, as I believe all emotions have social roots - the caring about
>>>>> self in the relation to others.  Biologically, our bodies would probably be
>>>>> quite happy kept in a pod and fed all necessary nutrients.
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