[MD] Sex, Rape and Law in a MOQ

[John Carl]

Hey Mark,


[Mark]
> Our concept of freedom is an expression of a much larger freedom.



John:  No matter how far you push it, freedom is a concept - an idea.  It
has no more meaning beyond our conceptualization than the law of gravity
does.

Mark:


>  If
> we take an analogy from physics, entropy could also be an expression
> of freedom.



John:

Interesting because I'd say just the opposite.  Only in realization of
choice can there be freedom to choose and blind force goes against
freedom.

Mark:


> What we do as humans is take a fundamental property and
> then humanize it.



John:

This doesn't coincide at all with my understanding, nor Pirsig's big point
about "the law of gravity" just sitting out there on its own, waiting to be
humanized, realized and "discovered".  I'd accuse you of reification, but
I've argued elsewhere that that is an invalid criticism.  Caught!  I guess
what I should say is that reification is an invalid criticism of some
people, but not others.  If you're actually taking your sign for your
signified, then you're actually reifying.


Mark:


> The inorganic strives for freedom, this is then
> encapsulated by the biological in a different sense, which is then
> expressed by the social in yet another way.  They all have their
> beginnings way down (or maybe it is up).  The levels express these
> things (which we refer to as concepts) in a different yet same
> fundamental way.
>
>
John:  Well, you lost me at "inorganic striving"  I've never noticed
anything inorganic ever strive for anything.  Only people strive.  Molecules
are just molecules.

Striving to be Yours,

John