[MD] Thus spoke Lila

[MarshaV]

On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:56 PM, John Carl wrote:

> Not to argue for argument's sake, Marsh, but I think the best understanding
> of Reality changes with every moment.
> 
> 
>> Greetings:
>> 
>> I still think the best understanding of REALITY is found in Lila's
>> words(LILA, Chapter 14): "...I'm whatever your questions turn me into. You
>> don't see that. It's your questions that make me who I am. If you think I'm
>> an angel then that's what I am. If you think I'm a whore then that's what I
>> am. I'm whatever you think.
> 
> 
> 
> Although, that is what Lila is trying to say here, so perhaps we're on the
> same page after all.  However, an important point is that our understanding
> of reality is a negotiation.  It's not contained in me, it's not defined by
> you.  It's what we agree upon - the entanglement between.

And if we don't agree?  


>> And if you change your mind about me then I change too. So whatever Richard
>> tells you, it's true. There's no way he can lie about me."    -    Reality
>> is whatever you think it is (your patterns), there's no way you can lie
>> about it, and if you change your understanding of reality, then reality
>> changes too.
>> 
>> 
> However, I will argue with Bohm's formulation.  I don't think he makes very
> good sense here.
> 
> 
>> 
>> Here are something by David Bohm that says the same thing:
>> 
>> "Reality is what we take to be true.  What we take to be true is what we
>> believe.  What we believe is based upon our perceptions.  What we perceive
>> depends upon what we look for.  What we look for depends on what we think.
>> What we think depends on what we perceive.  What we perceive determines
>> what we believe.  What we believe determines what we take to be true.  What
>> we take to be true is our reality."
>> 
>>     (Mathieu Ricard & Trinh Xuan Thuan, 'The Quantum and the Lotus: A
>> Journey to the Frontiers Where Science and Buddhism Meet',p.121)
>> 
>> 
> I say rather that our perceptions are based upon what we believe about our
> sensations.  What we perceive depends upon what we think.  What we take to
> be real, depends on our truth.
> 
> Idealistically speaking,
> 
> John


Yes, no and all of the above, and none of the above too.  


paradoxically answering,

Marsha 




 
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