[MD] Thus spoke Lila

[craigerb at comcast.net]

[horse]
> the Intellectual level contains both metaphysical systems, SOM and
> MoQ.

[Steve]
> The MOQ (Pirsig's philosophy) is capable of being
> described in MOQ terms (Pirsig's vocabulary) just as the word "vocabulary"
> is contained within your vocabulary without any violation of container
> logic. The MOQ doesn't literally contain itself, but it does describe itself
> as an intellectual pattern.
> This is only a perceived problem [if] metaphysics is
> reality rather than words about reality.

[Platt]

> You can't have box 'A' (the MOQ) contain within itself box 'B'
> (intellectual level) which in turn contains box 'A' (the MOQ).

But Steve/Horse/et al.'s position is:
You CAN have box 'A' (Reality) contain within itself box 'B'
(intellectual level) which in turn contains box 'C' (the MOQ).
But just because Platt's "container argument" doesn't work, it doesn't
follow that Platt/Bo/Marsha are wrong. They can deny that
there is any possibility of distinguishing Reality from
the structuring/description of Reality.
IMHO this is where the Mdiscussion must proceed.
Craig