[MD] Thus spoke Lila

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Hi Craig,

I believe that the problem with mistaking Reality with its description
is when we invoke Truth to such a thing.  I believe this is at the
core of ZMM.  Otherwise, they are all Reality, every single bit,
thoughts and all.  The driving force is Quality, or what separates,
Truth is a set stepping stones across the river.  Watch out for the
Hippos!  We don't want to drown and need some kind of happy medication
or treatment.

I am happy to proceed with further discussion, wherever it leads.  I
can always change my mind.  If I couldn't I would be stuck in Dogma,
or Truth, or a tar pit in La Brea.  Gone the way of the Wooly
Mammoths, or worse, become a Christian.  :-)

Cheers,
Mark

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 12:39 PM,  <craigerb at comcast.net> wrote:
> [horse]
>> the Intellectual level contains both metaphysical systems, SOM and
>> MoQ.
>
> [Steve]
>> The MOQ (Pirsig's philosophy) is capable of being
>> described in MOQ terms (Pirsig's vocabulary) just as the word "vocabulary"
>> is contained within your vocabulary without any violation of container
>> logic. The MOQ doesn't literally contain itself, but it does describe itself
>> as an intellectual pattern.
>> This is only a perceived problem [if] metaphysics is
>> reality rather than words about reality.
>
> [Platt]
>
>> You can't have box 'A' (the MOQ) contain within itself box 'B'
>> (intellectual level) which in turn contains box 'A' (the MOQ).
>
> But Steve/Horse/et al.'s position is:
> You CAN have box 'A' (Reality) contain within itself box 'B'
> (intellectual level) which in turn contains box 'C' (the MOQ).
> But just because Platt's "container argument" doesn't work, it doesn't
> follow that Platt/Bo/Marsha are wrong. They can deny that
> there is any possibility of distinguishing Reality from
> the structuring/description of Reality.
> IMHO this is where the Mdiscussion must proceed.
> Craig
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