[MD] Intellect's Symposium

[david buchanan]

Mark said to dmb:
...And, for the record, Quality is fixed, it's expression in terms of evolution is not.  Do not confuse the two.

dmb says:
Well, to use "fixed" in relation to Quality is an extremely unfortunate use of terms. That is exactly what Pirsig denies in ZAMM's final culminating scenes. There he says that Plato's big mistake was to convert the Good into a "fixed, eternal form" and of course that's why he adopts the term "dynamic", which means "not fixed". 

Mark continued:
If Quality is reality, then you are saying that Reality is not fixed.  


dmb says:
Yes, exactly. That's the main idea. 


Mark continued:
Even if Reality is everchanging, that does not mean that it is not Reality.  We are talking about absolutes here.  Even an ever-changing perception can be absolute in its change.  That horses run can be absolute even if they all run at different speeds, or if some only run in their dreams.  Perhaps not a good example, but hopefully you know what I mean.

dmb says:

When I was in college my girlfriend and I took a trip to NYC and one day when we were walking over to the park a couple of high school girls stopped us and asked us to participate in a little survey. They wanted to if either of us thought there was anything that is permanent or eternal. I laughed and said, "Yea, change. Change is the only thing that never changes". If that's what you mean, I'd agree.

Mark said:
For the record, imo, Ham adds to the discussion.


dmb says:

Hmmm. I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that. It could just be that I deleted it without reading it, but I've never seen anything from Ham that adds to the discussion, not about the MOQ anyway. As I see it, Ham has never done anything except defend SOM, which is the MOQ's central enemy. This would be interesting if he first understood why the MOQ attacks it and then disagreed through some kind of critical engagement but instead it is apparently a defense born of complete incomprehension of what's going on here. Sorry, but that's how I see it. It's nothing personal, you understand. He seems like a decent person but as a philosopher his contributions in this forum are nil. 





 		 	   		  
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