[MD] The Mythos-Logos issue.

[Horse]

OK - if you refuse to understand, fair enough.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

On 01/07/2010 20:43, Platt Holden wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horse" <horse at darkstar.uk.net>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] The Mythos-Logos issue.
>
>
> Hi Platt
>
> You're quite wrong. There is no censorship going on here or enforcement
> of purity of thought or whatever other rhetorical mangling you care to
> mention.
>
> Hi Horse,
> Definitions from Random House Webster's College Dictionary:
>
> censor, n. 1. an official who examines literature, television 
> programs, etc., for the purpose of suppressing or deleting parts 
> deemed objectionable on moral, political, military, or other grounds.
>
> censorship, n. 1. the act or practice of censoring.
>
> Rhetorical mangling? Not. You can run but you cannot hide from your 
> threat to censor Bo.
>
> Regards,
> Platt.
> .
>
>
> On 01/07/2010 14:43, plattholden at gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi Horse,
>>
>> Oh, oh. The spectre of censorship arises. Now the arbiters of "the 
>> truth" threaten. Does your warning to sentence Bo to Siberia also 
>> apply to me, Mary, Marsha and others who are at least willing to 
>> entertain the idea that the Pirsig may be wrong?
>>
>
> I see - you're comparing me to the Russian Communists by the above
> comments. I hope Mary is reading this and will admonish you in the same
> way that she admonished me. Somehow I doubt it.
> What I have said to Bo applies to all with regard to the SOL issue but
> as it is Bo's baby, it was addressed to him.
> I have no objections to you or anyone else being willing to say that you
> believe Pirsig is wrong - I have also disagreed with some of what Pirsig
> has said. What I have stated that I object to is Bo's continual and
> deceitful attempts to say that Pirsig is the originator of the SOL
> (untrue) and that Pirsig supports the the idea that SOM (S/O etc.) =
> Intellectual level (also untrue), along with other false statements
> regarding Pirsig's support for the SOL.
>
>> Enforcement of purity of thought smacks of the totalitarian mind.
>
> It does, you're right, and for this reason I would never do such a thing
> as you know only too well.
>
>> And Pirsig would be the last person in the world to say you must 
>> agree with him or else
>> you are persona non grata.
>>
>
> And Bo should be the first person to say that Pirsig has stated that he
> doesn't agree with Bo's SOL interpretation of the MoQ. Pirsig has said
> this and if Bo continues to ignore what Pirsig has said and say the
> opposite then he's a liar. He's also being maliciously deceitful and
> this is why I am asking him to cease his lies and deceptions.
>
>> I urge you to reconsider your position.
>
> There is no need to reconsider my position - my position is as clear as
> Pirsigs position regarding the SOL. Bo must stop the deception and
> distortion. It's wrong and to continue is similarly wrong.
>
>
>> No doubt your motive is well intentioned,
>
> You know perfectly well that it is Platt and I'm also sure that you know
> what I'm saying makes sense and is the right thing to do.
> By all means support Bo's idea that SOM (S/O etc.) = Intellectual level
> - just stop saying that this is Pirsigs position or that he is the
> originator of the SOL or similar such nonsense. Is that asking too much?
>
>> but please consider that censorship violates the "moral right of 
>> intellect to be free of social control" -- a basic tenet of the MOQ.
>>
>
> Another basic tenet of the MoQ is that lies, dishonesty and deliberate
> deception to achieve ones intellectual ends is a violation of the good.
> Bo is guilty of this and needs to re-evaluate his position.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Horse
>
>

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