[MD] The Mythos-Logos issue.

[Mary]

> [Mary]
> It is acceptance of Quality (Morals with a big M) as the Primary
> Reality rather
> than Subs and Obs.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Yes, this is the root expansion here. SOM (the dominant intellectual
> pattern),
> which is a metaphysical position that derives from the belief that
> subject/objects constitute the primary division of "reality", was
> challenged by
> his MOQ (another intellectual pattern), which is a metaphysical
> position
> derived from the belief that dynamic/static constitutes the primary
> division of
> "reality".
> 
[Mary Replies] 
The switch necessary to change from a S/O worldview to a Value, Quality, Morals worldview is too great to occur within a level.  If what you say holds, then the difference between a Southern Baptist and an atheist or a democracy and a despotism could also have occurred within the same level. They didn't.  When you look at what distinguishes one level from another, you have to define the static patterns of value embraced by each.  Based on your argument, what would be the difference between the Values of your Social and your Intellectual?  

> [Mary]
> The Intellectual Level can't deal with that and does not accept it, but
> that
> doesn't make the Intellectual Level 'bad'.
> 
> [Arlo]
> The SOM-dominant pattern can't deal with that and does not accept it,
> but that
> doesn't make the Intellectual level 'bad', no, and this is why Pirsig's
> expended effort to offer a better intellectual pattern, an expansion of
> rationality.
> 
> [Mary]
> Can't be bad.  It's the highest Static Quality.  It's just that there
> are
> better Static Qualities to be had than that.
> 
> [Arlo]
> There are better intellectual static qualities to be had, for sure, and
> the MOQ
> is one. Of course, the intellectual level is not "bad", nor is it
> broken, nor
> cancerous, nor evil, nor the root of all evil. The SOM patterns, Pirsig
> identified, had led to a blindspot for those accepting that pattern as
> their
> orientating vision. Pirsig tried to correct that blindspot.
>
[Mary Replies] 
I never said any of those things, but you have attributed the cancerous, evil bit to anyone who wants to put the Inte3llectual Level in its place.  That doesn't make sense.

Gotta go.  Will be offline for some time.

Best,
Mary