[MD] Decision

[Platt Holden]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Horse" <horse at darkstar.uk.net>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Decision


> Hi Platt
>
> On 06/07/2010 13:09, Platt Holden wrote:
>> Hi Horse,
>>
>> Twisting for political ends? More like intellect vs. social ends -- free
>> speech.
>>
>
> Only in the sense that your lower social/political purposes are attempting 
> to undermine the higher (and thus more moral) intellectual purposes of 
> this forum and my freedom to run it as I see fit and for the purposes for 
> which it was started - to discuss Robert Pirsigs MoQ and not Bodvar 
> Skutviks interpretation of the MoQ which Pirsig rejected many years ago. 
> I'm offering the opportunity to all who join this list to freely discuss 
> the MoQ as Pirsig described it and trying to stop the 
> anti-intellectual/social/political practices of deception, 
> misrepresentation, lies and dishonesty that you are trumpeting as the 
> Good. That's my job as moderator and one that I will continue to do to the 
> best of my abilities with or without Bo or anyone else who deliberately 
> and/or dishonestly distorts direct quotes from Pirsig in an attempt to 
> promote their own version of the MoQ.
>
>> As for addressing the issues you brought up, many of us have presented 
>> the
>> evidence you ask for. You refuse to see it, Mary's latest post dated July 
>> 6
>> being a case in point.
>>
>
> Incorrect - no-one that supports Bo's position has so far shown explicit 
> evidence that Pirsig supports Bo's position. I can't refuse to see what 
> has never been presented and Mary's post contains no quotes or evidence 
> whatsoever of Pirsig explicitly supporting SOM/SOL = Intellectual level, 
> whereas I have posted direct quotes from Pirsig in Lila's Child which do 
> explicitly reject SOM/SOL = Intellectual level.
>
> From Lila's Child
> Platt:
> From the beginning of the Lila Squad, Bo has maintained that the 
> intellectual level is SOM (rationality, language, science). [129]
>
> Pirsig:
> 129. I've always thought this is incorrect because many forms of intellect 
> do not have a subject-object construction.
>
> There you are - one of several explicit quotes rejecting SOM/SOL = 
> Intellectual level and more are available if you need them. It's in black 
> and white and laid out for all to see. Note that he says "I'be always 
> thought this is incorrect..". Explicit rejection.
> So where are your quotes (just one will do) that shows Pirsig explicitly 
> supporting SOM/SOL = Intellectual level.
> Not implied, or inferred or interpretations or "what he really means...." 
> but actual quotes to show his support for SOM/SOL = Intellectual level 
> which will act as counter to his explicit rejection above. Can anyone who 
> supports Bo's version of the MoQ do this?
>
>
>> Ignoring evidence comes as no surprise. But, to adopt the tactics of the
>> thought police -- shocking.
>>
>
> And to adopt the tactics of Orwell's totalitarian inspired Newspeak on an 
> intellectual forum concerned with a moral philosophy that sees deception, 
> misrepresentation, lies and dishonesty as evil -  not merely shocking but 
> unethical and utterly outrageous!
>
> As I've already said Platt, just one explicit quote by Pirsig to show his 
> support for SOM/SOL = Intellectual level and I'll get out of the way.
> Or will there just be more of the same empty bluster and dishonest 
> accusations of censorship, ignoring non-existent evidence, tactics of the 
> thought police etc. because so far that's all you've provided so far. No 
> evidence. No quotes. Nothing - except distraction and false accusations.
> Time to up your game and provide the quotes or do the decent thing and 
> admit you have nothing to show Pirsig's support for Bo's interpretation of 
> the MoQ.

Hi Horse,

The "decent thing" would be to allow differences of opinion to thrive on
a site devoted to free speech and Quality.

But, your mind is locked in a static pattern that sees a political slant to
counter arguments. In that regard you seem  to suffer from a bit of
paranoia. Or maybe just sour grapes because Pirsig came out so
strongly in favor of free enterprise and free speech.

Be that as it may, I end my objections to your decision by expressing
my appreciation for your time and effort over these many years in keeping
this site up and running, and for maintaining a meticulous archive. For
that, much thanks.

Platt
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