[MD] Decision

[Horse]

Hi Platt

On 06/07/2010 13:09, Platt Holden wrote:
> Hi Horse,
>
> Twisting for political ends? More like intellect vs. social ends -- free
> speech.
>    

Only in the sense that your lower social/political purposes are 
attempting to undermine the higher (and thus more moral) intellectual 
purposes of this forum and my freedom to run it as I see fit and for the 
purposes for which it was started - to discuss Robert Pirsigs MoQ and 
not Bodvar Skutviks interpretation of the MoQ which Pirsig rejected many 
years ago. I'm offering the opportunity to all who join this list to 
freely discuss the MoQ as Pirsig described it and trying to stop the 
anti-intellectual/social/political practices of deception, 
misrepresentation, lies and dishonesty that you are trumpeting as the 
Good. That's my job as moderator and one that I will continue to do to 
the best of my abilities with or without Bo or anyone else who 
deliberately and/or dishonestly distorts direct quotes from Pirsig in an 
attempt to promote their own version of the MoQ.

> As for addressing the issues you brought up, many of us have presented the
> evidence you ask for. You refuse to see it, Mary's latest post dated July 6
> being a case in point.
>    

Incorrect - no-one that supports Bo's position has so far shown explicit 
evidence that Pirsig supports Bo's position. I can't refuse to see what 
has never been presented and Mary's post contains no quotes or evidence 
whatsoever of Pirsig explicitly supporting SOM/SOL = Intellectual level, 
whereas I have posted direct quotes from Pirsig in Lila's Child which do 
explicitly reject SOM/SOL = Intellectual level.

 From Lila's Child
Platt:
 From the beginning of the Lila Squad, Bo has maintained that the 
intellectual level is SOM (rationality, language, science). [129]

Pirsig:
129. I've always thought this is incorrect because many forms of 
intellect do not have a subject-object construction.

There you are - one of several explicit quotes rejecting SOM/SOL = 
Intellectual level and more are available if you need them. It's in 
black and white and laid out for all to see. Note that he says "I'be 
always thought this is incorrect..". Explicit rejection.
So where are your quotes (just one will do) that shows Pirsig explicitly 
supporting SOM/SOL = Intellectual level.
Not implied, or inferred or interpretations or "what he really 
means...." but actual quotes to show his support for SOM/SOL = 
Intellectual level which will act as counter to his explicit rejection 
above. Can anyone who supports Bo's version of the MoQ do this?


> Ignoring evidence comes as no surprise. But, to adopt the tactics of the
> thought police -- shocking.
>    

And to adopt the tactics of Orwell's totalitarian inspired Newspeak on 
an intellectual forum concerned with a moral philosophy that sees 
deception, misrepresentation, lies and dishonesty as evil -  not merely 
shocking but unethical and utterly outrageous!

As I've already said Platt, just one explicit quote by Pirsig to show 
his support for SOM/SOL = Intellectual level and I'll get out of the way.
Or will there just be more of the same empty bluster and dishonest 
accusations of censorship, ignoring non-existent evidence, tactics of 
the thought police etc. because so far that's all you've provided so 
far. No evidence. No quotes. Nothing - except distraction and false 
accusations.
Time to up your game and provide the quotes or do the decent thing and 
admit you have nothing to show Pirsig's support for Bo's interpretation 
of the MoQ.

Horse

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