[MD] Decision

[Horse]

  Hi Mary

On 08/07/2010 00:58, Mary wrote:
> Hi Horse,
>
> I imagine we'd all like to get off this subject, but I feel like it's
> important to clarify one small thing.
>
> [Horse]
> The problem I have is with Bo claiming support from Pirsig, re: the
>> >  SOL,
>> >  when Pirsig has clearly stated that he does not support Bo's position.
>> >  Also Bo claiming that Pirsig is, somehow the originator of a position
>> >  that Pirsig specifically rejects.
> It's with the also part.  You see, I_do_  think Pirsig himself was the
> originator of this idea.  I'm not trying to be argumentative or perverse,
> but this_is_  the way I see it.

I accept that Mary and think that this is a large part of the problem as 
explained below.

> Pirsig may not support it now, and that's
> fine, but it's there in ZMM.  It's in the quotes I pushed out the other day
> and many others I didn't but can.  I guarantee you I'm not smart enough to
> have thought this up all by myself, and it is why Bo never claims it to be
> his own personal idea either.  I can't speak for him, but I think Bo
> genuinely sees it as straight out of ZMM and so do I.  That's why I was so
> angered by the accusations of deception or lying and why I view this as a
> form of censorship.  We can agree to disagree, but I still do.
>
> Just wanted you to understand where I'm coming from.
>

Thanks Mary and it wasn't my intention to upset you when I made these 
remarks. My apologies.
The way I see it is that this is an interpretation of Pirsigs work and, 
according to Pirsig, not something that Pirsig sees as the correct 
interpretation. Bo, yourself and others are inferring something from 
what Pirsig has said and Pirsig has stated that what you are inferring 
is not what he intended or meant. This seems quite clear and as such, 
Pirsigs opinion should be respected.
Pirsig is clear that he doesn't see SOM/SOL as the Intellectual level 
and to say he is wrong about what he believes or intended is very 
strange. Supporting your argument that SOM/SOL = Intellectual level by 
quoting sections from ZMM or Lila is fine - to say that Pirsig agrees 
with your position or originated this idea, when he clearly says that he 
doesn't and didn't, is to say that either he's not bright enough to know 
what he means or he's lying. Either way I find this unacceptable.
There is a third way - that Pirsig is right and Bo is wrong. Which is 
the position that most people on here tend towards. But whatever the 
case it is still wrong to suggest that Pirsig supports Bo's position 
when Pirsig says he doesn't.
Bo's interpretation is just that - an interpretation by Bo and not 
Pirsigs intention or belief. Bo and you and Platt are quite free to say 
that your interpretation of what Pirsig says is X and then back this up 
with quotes - that's fine by me. Just remember that Pirsig is not 
agreeing with you and acknowledge this in your interpretation. To say 
otherwise is, to my mind, not being honest.

Cheers

Horse

PS
If anyone's interested, Laramie Loewen (or whoever else he may be) is 
now being moderated. I really don't think what he's been posting 
deserves any place on this forum.



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