[MD] A larger system of understanding

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:21 AM,  <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> At the risk of beating a dead horse and getting banned I offer the following
> Pirsig quote as further evidence that including the MOQ in the intellectual
> level doesn't make sense.
>
> "The Metaphysics of Quality resolves the relationship between intellect and
> society, subject and object, mind and matter, by embedding all of them in a
> larger system of understanding. Objects are inorganic and biological values;
> subjects are social and intellectual values." (Lila, 24)
>
> Perhaps someone can explain, if the MOQ is a set of subjective intellectual
> values how it can see itself as a set of subjective system of values --  the
> problem an eye seeing itself.

Dan:
If my eye looks in a mirror it sees my eye. This is a good metaphor to
understand the solution to your problem, don't you think so, Platt?

>Platt:
> For me the explanation is that the MOQ is a larger system of understanding
> because unlike intellectual values, it admits a nonintellectual value, DQ,
> leading to the conclusion that the essence of the MOQ is only understood from a
> mystic, not an intellectual, perspective.

Dan:
All terms are intellectual terms in the MOQ, even Dynamic Quality.
It's the only way we can talk about it. The problem arises in taking
the intellectual term Dynamic Quality to mean nonintellectual value,
as you do in your paragraph above. Dynamic Quality is value. If you
insist on one, that is the "essence" of the MOQ. You know that, Platt.

>Platt:
> The MOQ escapes the intellectual level by including within its system of
> understanding that, "Thought is not a path to reality,".a direct contradiction
> of intellectual values.

Dan:
No, the MOQ is an intellectual system of understanding reality, not
reality itself, which is why thought will never bring us closer to
reality.

>Platt:
> If thus expressing my opinion gets me banned from mog_discuss, so be it. But, I
> hope not and look forward to comments. .

Dan:
Quit being a cry baby.

Please.

Dan