[MD] A larger system of understanding

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On 9 Jul 2010 at 5:50, X Acto wrote:

> 
> Platt quoting Wilber:
> Moreover, any intellectual proposition about reality must fall into the
> following four categories:*
> 
> 1. Reality is absolute Being
> 2. Reality is Non-being
> 3. Reality is both Being and Non-Being
> 4. Reality is neither Being nor Non-Being
> 
> Any one of these propositions that claims to embrace reality must exclude
> another, thus limiting its embrace and falling into self-contradiction.
> *("The Spectrum of Consciousness" by Ken Wilber, p. 66)
> 
> 
> Ron:
> Aristotle presented that to have a value centered reality one
> must reject contradiction in meaning, for anything to have meaning
> it must have value. Contradiction does not have meaning, and that
> which does not have meaning has no value and that which has
> no value does not exist.
> 
> The first proposition "reality is being" fails Wilbers assesment.

Wilber explains: "Suppose I state that reality is Absolute Being, that it is 
infinite and unlimited (a statement that falls in Category 1, Reality is 
Being). Absolute and unlimited being, however, positively excludes non-being 
and relativity, and exclusion is mark of limitation, because to exclude is to 
place a boundary or limit between what is to be excluded and what is not. Thus, 
my "Unlimited Being" is limited, and I have contradicted myself."   

 > What you seem to have trouble understanding is the concept
> of self-refferential systems. Which is not qite the same thing
> as what Wilber was forwarding.

Oh, I understand all right -- the box SOM can't escape.  
 
Platt