[MD] A larger system of understanding

[X Acto]

On 9 Jul 2010 at 5:50, X Acto wrote:

> 
> Platt quoting Wilber:
> Moreover, any intellectual proposition about reality must fall into the
> following four categories:*
> 
> 1. Reality is absolute Being
> 2. Reality is Non-being
> 3. Reality is both Being and Non-Being
> 4. Reality is neither Being nor Non-Being
> 
> Any one of these propositions that claims to embrace reality must exclude
> another, thus limiting its embrace and falling into self-contradiction.
> *("The Spectrum of Consciousness" by Ken Wilber, p. 66)
> 
> 
> Ron:
> Aristotle presented that to have a value centered reality one
> must reject contradiction in meaning, for anything to have meaning
> it must have value. Contradiction does not have meaning, and that
> which does not have meaning has no value and that which has
> no value does not exist.
> 
> The first proposition "reality is being" fails Wilbers assesment.

Platt:
Wilber explains: "Suppose I state that reality is Absolute Being, that it is 
infinite and unlimited (a statement that falls in Category 1, Reality is 
Being). Absolute and unlimited being, however, positively excludes non-being 
and relativity, and exclusion is mark of limitation, because to exclude is to 
place a boundary or limit between what is to be excluded and what is not. Thus, 
my "Unlimited Being" is limited, and I have contradicted myself."  

Ron:
I think introducing "and unlimited " sets up a semantic straw man. 
But
Aristotle stated that limit is being. Much as Pirsig,
he states that the act of preference, or the "good" is the limit.
That experience (or being) is reality, non-being is an abstract
for it does not have a corresponding experience.
How can one experience non-being?

In conclusion if non-being does not exist, and experience is reality
then being is absolute because it's all there is right?

Ron prev;

> What you seem to have trouble understanding is the concept
> of self-refferential systems. Which is not qite the same thing
> as what Wilber was forwarding.

Platt:
Oh, I understand all right -- the box SOM can't escape.  

Ron:
Right, when you take certain Objective assumptions to be true,
one can not escape. But if one takes value as being true then
those contradictions dissolve.

    

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