[MD] Intellectual honesty

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:24 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi John
>> I tend to speak my mind, if that's what you mean.
>>
>>
>
> 'course you do, Dan.  And that's a good thing.  What's interesting is what's
> in your mind in the first place, to speak.
>
> Like, I wouldn't think "fuck you very much" probably, so I wouldn't think to
> speak it.

Hi John

Well, I can't take credit for that one. It comes from an old Michael
Douglas/Robert Duvall movie call Falling Down. It is a very
well-written script. I study movies like other people study mailing
lists. Early on, Duvall's character is deemed untrustworthy by his
boss because he never says fuck. So in the end, after he saves some
lives and his boss tells everyone what a great cop his is and how
sorry he is to see him retire, Duvall tells his boss: Fuck you, sir,
Fuck you very much," during a live television interview (did he really
say that? the interviewers ask each other). It works if used
judiciously.

>John:
> But that sort of blunt sawed-off shotgun style is partly what gives you
> character.  So I'm certainly not complaining.
>
> just, you know, commenting.
>
>
>>
>> If Robert Pirsig meant the intellectual level of the MOQ to be
>> synonymous with SOM, he'd of said so outright. The conclusions the SOL
>> lead to are illogical in the context of the MOQ. Period. And to
>> repeatedly claim that Robert Pirsig REALLY meant to say SOL equals
>> intellect is simply dishonest.
>>
>> Horse does a fantastic job, in my opinion. I can think of no one better.
>>
>>
> So, ya had much experience with mailing list administrators?

Dan:
No. Other than here.

>John:
> Because I'm something of an aficianado, you know, and I like the differing
> flavors you get from sampling.

Dan:
That's cool.

>John:
> In fact, I was an admin myself once.  Came about through an early
> association with Nevada County Community Network, NCCN.NET, and a friendship
> with those guys led to a co-located server and all the fun a guy could have
> in the early days.  I even staked out a claim on likely domains back in the
> day before the gold rush started, and internic was the only option with
> their $70 per year registration fees.
>
> my list started out being called "youthspace" but that was deemed lame (and
> admittedly was) and evolved into something known as "the-collective".
> Basically a bunch of teen-age linux heads, eager to get their grubby paws on
> any server with root.  Turn 'em loose and watch 'em learn was my motto.
> Worked good, too.  Those guys all have outstanding jobs today.
>
> My first  mailing list experience, not of my own creation was called "the
> thunderlizards"  A mac advocacy group inspired and created by a guy,
> literally, 'guy kawasaki'.  I should google him, see what he's up to these
> days.  Meeting people on that list led to lots of interesting experiences,
> like attending a San Jose Expo where I saw the first prototype DVD and
> learned a lot about CD Replication before burners were ubiquitous.
>
> The next foray was a story-teller's forum, called  nerdnosh, headed up by
> one Tim Bowden - a texan with a cattle drover's attitude when it came to
> taking charge and roundin' em up and movin' em along.  I liked Tim.
>
> So having spent the strenuous hours hand-sifting e-mail requests, I know
> what a difficulty job it is, keeping a list going and all.
>
> Just kidding.  Back in the day, it was a matter of clicking "yes" on some
> redhat linux distro and talking people into signing on.  Not what I'd call a
> big deal.  I can't imagine it's gotten a lot harder, in that most of the
> open source solutions are constantly evolving easier ways to manage, what
> with web-based admin interfaces and such.  I'm rusty, but if you're a guru,
> it probably doesn't take as much time to administer as it does to
> contribute, so while meaning no disrespect, I chuckle a bit at all the
> gratitude showered upon Horse.

Dan:

Sounds like you're the man. Never been into anything like that myself.
So I appreciate Horse providing a forum so we can all discuss the MOQ.
Could things be better? Always. How's that song go? I'd love to save
the world, but I don't know what to do. So I leave it up to you.

>John:
> Especially from Platt.  That always cracks me up.

Dan:
Yes, Platt is good at cracking people up. Just kidding, Platt, you
know I love you.


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>> Dan:
>> I tend to think of intellect as just thinking. But I am just a simple man.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
> Yeah?  me too.  And water's just a simple element.

Dan:
Exactly. Be like water.

You take care too,

Dan