[MD] Intellectual honesty

[Steven Peterson]

Hi Dan,


>>
>>
>> Steve:
>> If those supporting Horse's action don't think Bo ought to be banned
>> then I am as confused as Matt is about what administrative action we
>> are talking about here. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah...I agree that Bo is
>> all these flavors of horrible (and probably also a pretty good guy),
>> but what specific administrative action are we talking about? Is it...
>
> Dan:
> I thought Horse made that clear. Didn't he? Maybe you want to go back
> and re-read his post.

Steve:
If it was clear to me, I wouldn't have asked.



>
>>
>> 1) a new forum rule where anyone claiming that SOL is Pirsig's idea
>> risks being banned?
>> 2) a administrative request that Bo shut the hell up about SOL for a while?
>> 3) a specific threat leveled at Bo that he will be banned if he in
>> particular continues to say that SOL was Pirsig's idea?
>> 4) something else, like Bo will be banned if he continues to try to
>> woo every newbie that comes along by flattering them and telling them
>> about how they have blessedly managed to stumble upon the Great
>> Insight?
>>
>> None of us think that Bo's SOL thesis is worth a darn and wish he
>> would stop harping on it, but what action are you defending here? I
>> thought it was 1) at first, but maybe it is 2) since you don't think
>> Bo ought to be banned. I thought Horse had done 1) in which case forum
>> rules are now:
>>
>> #1 You must have read Pirsig's 2 books
>> #2 You may not say that SOL was Pirsig's idea
>>
>> (Are there other rules to add to this list?) But perhaps Horse only
>> intended 2). I normally delete any posts addressed to or from Bo, so
>> I'm not at all clear about what has transpired. Is there a new forum
>> rule or not?
>
> Dan:
> Since you addressed this email to me, I'll answer you as best I can.
> Steve, aren't you a teacher? I thought you said that somewhere. Do you
> tolerate intellectual dishonesty in your classroom? I mean, what if a
> student goes online and downloads papers to turn in rather than
> putting in the work themselves? And you find out. Do you give them an
> "A" because it is a quality paper? Or do you confront them about
> taking someone else's work and claiming it for their own?
>
> There are already rules against that, right? I'm not at all sure you
> understand what Horse is saying. Please. Re-read his post.


Steve:
Yeah, it is wrong to plagiarize and there are consequences for
plagiarism. What Bo did, I suppose, is more like forgery, though I
think he really think that it is Pirsig's idea and that Pirsig just
wussed out or something, but all that is neither hear nor there. We
agree that what Bo does is wrong. Now, what specific administrative
action are we talking about?

Horse said: "Should Bo continue, as has done over the weekend, to
insist and declare that Pirsig supports the SOL, is the originator of
the SOL etc. then he will be removed from MD. Anyone else who
maliciously, mischievously or otherwise does the same will be
similarly removed."

If you don't think Bo ought to be banned as you said, then it sounds
like you are disagreeing with Horse. Are you?