[MD] The strong interpretation of the MOQ (SIM)

[Horse]

  Hi Arlo (Ron also mentioned)

On 12/07/2010 22:25, Arlo Bensinger wrote:
> [Arlo repeats]
> Why is the following such a seemingly alien concept for you, Platt and 
> Bo?
>
> (1) Bo's formulation for a metaphysics is a critical revision of 
> Pirsig's metaphysics.
>
> (2) Bo might say "A metaphysics of Quality that holds the intellectual 
> level to SOM is better than A metaphysics of Quality that considers 
> SOM to be one on many intellectual patterns", instead of "THE 
> metaphysics of Quality holds the intellectual level to SOM".
>
> Why are you all so obsessively hung up on the word "THE", and what 
> value do you think it has?
>
> Do you disagree with me that we use the phrase "THE metaphysics of 
> Quality" as a conventional way of referring specifically to Pirsig's 
> ideas, but that it would in fact be more accurate to say "Pirsig's 
> metaphysics"?
>
> Do you not see that obsessing on the "THE" objectifies the "MOQ" into 
> some "reality"... that even Pirsig can be "wrong" about? This makes no 
> sense. Pirsig can't be wrong about his ideas, but his ideas can be 
> wrong. In the same way, Bo's ideas are not "THE MOQ", they are his ideas.
>
> If we drop the word "THE", and instead simply talk about people's 
> ideas, do you not see how all this interpretive nonsense and need for 
> authoritative legitimacy would disappear?
>
> In other words, what do you think is wrong with saying "A metaphysics 
> of Quality that holds the intellectual level to SOM is better than A 
> metaphysics of Quality that considers SOM to be one on many 
> intellectual patterns"?
>
> Does that not sum up your position? Why is it more important for you 
> to say instead "THE metaphysics of Quality holds the intellectual 
> level to SOM"? 

You've asked some good questions here and I think that it is incumbent 
upon Bo and those that are defending his position to stop prevaricating 
and answer these questions. If they are unwilling or unable to engage in 
a dialogue which questions their position or will not make 
clarifications as to why there is a problem then maybe it's time to give 
up the pointless distractions and diversions and keep quiet.

So to Bo, Platt, Marsha and Mary if you are unwilling to engage in this 
conversation with Arlo then please state what your objections are as it 
seems entirely reasonable to me that in order to defend this SOL/SIM 
idea these questions would be as good a place as any to start.
Ron has also asked some good questions re:SOL/SIM so it would be good if 
he could repeat these questions so that the relevance of SOL/SIM to the 
MoQ can be examined.

In other word guys, it's time to either put up or shut up.

Cheers

Horse

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