[MD] The strong interpretation of the MOQ (SIM)

[Mary]

Hi Arlo,

What's the difference between "Ukraine" and "The Ukraine"?

Mary

> 
>   Hi Arlo (Ron also mentioned)
> 
> On 12/07/2010 22:25, Arlo Bensinger wrote:
> > [Arlo repeats]
> > Why is the following such a seemingly alien concept for you, Platt
> and
> > Bo?
> >
> > (1) Bo's formulation for a metaphysics is a critical revision of
> > Pirsig's metaphysics.
> >
> > (2) Bo might say "A metaphysics of Quality that holds the
> intellectual
> > level to SOM is better than A metaphysics of Quality that considers
> > SOM to be one on many intellectual patterns", instead of "THE
> > metaphysics of Quality holds the intellectual level to SOM".
> >
> > Why are you all so obsessively hung up on the word "THE", and what
> > value do you think it has?
> >
> > Do you disagree with me that we use the phrase "THE metaphysics of
> > Quality" as a conventional way of referring specifically to Pirsig's
> > ideas, but that it would in fact be more accurate to say "Pirsig's
> > metaphysics"?
> >
> > Do you not see that obsessing on the "THE" objectifies the "MOQ" into
> > some "reality"... that even Pirsig can be "wrong" about? This makes
> no
> > sense. Pirsig can't be wrong about his ideas, but his ideas can be
> > wrong. In the same way, Bo's ideas are not "THE MOQ", they are his
> ideas.
> >
> > If we drop the word "THE", and instead simply talk about people's
> > ideas, do you not see how all this interpretive nonsense and need for
> > authoritative legitimacy would disappear?
> >
> > In other words, what do you think is wrong with saying "A metaphysics
> > of Quality that holds the intellectual level to SOM is better than A
> > metaphysics of Quality that considers SOM to be one on many
> > intellectual patterns"?
> >
> > Does that not sum up your position? Why is it more important for you
> > to say instead "THE metaphysics of Quality holds the intellectual
> > level to SOM"?
> 
> You've asked some good questions here and I think that it is incumbent
> upon Bo and those that are defending his position to stop prevaricating
> and answer these questions. If they are unwilling or unable to engage
> in
> a dialogue which questions their position or will not make
> clarifications as to why there is a problem then maybe it's time to
> give
> up the pointless distractions and diversions and keep quiet.
> 
> So to Bo, Platt, Marsha and Mary if you are unwilling to engage in this
> conversation with Arlo then please state what your objections are as it
> seems entirely reasonable to me that in order to defend this SOL/SIM
> idea these questions would be as good a place as any to start.
> Ron has also asked some good questions re:SOL/SIM so it would be good
> if
> he could repeat these questions so that the relevance of SOL/SIM to the
> MoQ can be examined.
> 
> In other word guys, it's time to either put up or shut up.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Horse
> 
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