[MD] Decision

[John Carl]

Andy, you're flirting with my idea of the levels now, which I distinguish
from the MoQ by calling it a Quality metaphysics as opposed to a Metaphysics
of Quality and  use the designation Q'm"

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Andy Skelton <skeltoac at gmail.com> wrote:

> Craig, you neglected to justify your premise that
> > 1) The intellectual level is the manipulation of symbolic representations
>
> Consider that social interaction is communication from a self to an
> other, i.e. manipulation of symbols between subjects and objects.
> Otherness is created at level 3, not level 4.
>
>

That there is a key point.  However, I see the creation of symbolic
representation of otherness as a 3rd level phenomena and the manipulation of
those symbols the defining characteristic of the 4th.  I view SOM as the
basic starting point of the 4th level, but not the whole thing.  In fact, I
view the 4th level as unbounded at the upper ends, since you can objectify
patterns infinitely.  Any metaphysics that can be stated, can be transcended
and built upon in an infinite progression of knowing.  There is no limit to
intellect.


To summarize:

1st level:  patterns

2nd level:  intelligent patterns (possessed of choice)

3rd level:  Socially intelligent patterns

4th level:  Intellectual/Artistic  patterns progressing infinitely toward DQ




> 1) The social level is the manipulation of symbolic representations
> 2) Symbolic representation requires both something-represented &
> something-represented-to
> 3) Something-represented is an object
> 4) Something-represented-to is a subject
> 5) The social level requires subjects & objects
> 6) :. The intellectual level requires subjects and objects
>
> I suppose this is a more Pirsigian proof. But as I've said, I am not
> nearly qualified to speak about this.
>
>
A good thinker is always Qualified.


John,  staying at home today and glad for something to think