[MD] A larger system of understanding

[X Acto]

John,
no, thats art

in true Ginsburg spirit

-Ron

 


----- Original Message ----
From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 11:41:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] A larger system of understanding

Ron,

I agree completely.

But the way I see it, dealing with fuckups is dealing with the past in
a constructive manner.  Not whining about it, not worrying about it.
What's done is done and you can't go back so just forget what you
thought you were going to do and do something different instead.

For instance, I just tossed out the cat vomit and the dogs thoroughly
enjoyed it.

Can't quite call it "art", but hey... it worked.

yours,

John

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:35 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
> man,
> THATS the beauty of it, with the slipping away its constantly re-created
>
> lots -o -possibility plenty o' potential
>
> the medium of the artist
>
> When i was a professional illustrator, my best work incorporated my mistakes.
>
>
> i allowed the mistakes to take a dynamic part in the creation.
>
> it taught me much to be under pressure and to have no other recourse
> other than to just go with it, guide it with some art.
>
> Practicing the skill of competently dealing with fuck -ups
>
> is an art in it's own right. because if there is one thing you can bet on
>
> is a consistant flow of fucked-up situations.
>
> endless medium
>
> in which to create
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 11:11:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] A larger system of understanding
>
> Perils Ron?
>
> That has to do with the futute, and tis fear of a perilous future
> which bugs me the most.  People always aftraid of what might happen.
> So many good ideas don't happen because you can't buy insurance.
>
> Like insuarnce is some sort of great relief.
>
> And worries.  Like my wife always hits me with.  What if the county
> fines us?  What if the lender forecloses? What if something bad
> happens?  What if I don't get tenure?
>
> What if, what if, what if, on and on and on.
>
> All of it sucking energy out of the moment.
>
> Worry-warts are the real damn sissies of life and all that future talk
> just makes me tired.
>
> You make the now sound attractive, and I'd like to go there.  But
> every time I try and grasp it, now just slips away.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:47 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>> John,
>> Oh, I agree, but neglecting the now for the comfort of past
>> comes with it's own set of perils.
>>
>> the now aint fer sissies, thats for sure
>>
>> -Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 9:18:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] A larger system of understanding
>>
>> Hey Ron,
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:00 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hey John,
>>>
>>> one persons hell is anothers paradise eh?
>>>
>>> Thought is experience, but an experience that leads from the now.
>>>
>>>  Bo would argue that MOQ is experience, but that assumes this idea
>>> is all of experience. But thought is not all of experience is it?
>>>
>>> -Ron
>>
>> I can't imagine any way of thinking about experience outside of
>> thought.  If its not a percept, not a concept, then it's not any
>> experience I can imagine.
>>
>> And how can the MoQ be experience at the same time  a tool for dealing
>> with experience?  Where's the fun in that?
>>
>> Bo must be unsane.
>>
>> In my humble opinion, the now is way over-rated.  I like living in the
>> past.  It's so much more knowable, manipuable and non-threatening.
>>
>> The former John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 10:57:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] A larger system of understanding
>>>
>>> Hey Ron, I had a thought:
>>>
>>> Thought is not a path to reality, it takes you farther from reality.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> My thought was, which part of reality?  I mean, there is a small part of
>>> reality that is my thought, and thinking it takes me closer to that aspect
>>> of reality at least.
>>>
>>> But the rest fades away...
>>>
>>> Is that a good thing?  Or a bad thing?
>>>
>>> If the rest of reality is better than my thought, then it's a bad thing.
>>>
>>> But if my thought is better than the whole rest of reality, it'd be a good
>>> thing to focus on it instead of the rest.
>>>
>>> We're always warned of solipsistic hells.  Well what about solipsistic
>>> paradise?
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