[MD] A larger system of understanding

Wed Jul 14 20:51:34 PDT 2010

I remember Good ole Al.
I wish he was around now
I'd tell the old fart
to practice his art
get it done and them let them all howl

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:44 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
> John,
> no, thats art
>
> in true Ginsburg spirit
>
> -Ron
>
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 11:41:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] A larger system of understanding
>
> Ron,
>
> I agree completely.
>
> But the way I see it, dealing with fuckups is dealing with the past in
> a constructive manner.  Not whining about it, not worrying about it.
> What's done is done and you can't go back so just forget what you
> thought you were going to do and do something different instead.
>
> For instance, I just tossed out the cat vomit and the dogs thoroughly
> enjoyed it.
>
> Can't quite call it "art", but hey... it worked.
>
> yours,
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:35 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>> man,
>> THATS the beauty of it, with the slipping away its constantly re-created
>>
>> lots -o -possibility plenty o' potential
>>
>> the medium of the artist
>>
>> When i was a professional illustrator, my best work incorporated my mistakes.
>>
>>
>> i allowed the mistakes to take a dynamic part in the creation.
>>
>> it taught me much to be under pressure and to have no other recourse
>> other than to just go with it, guide it with some art.
>>
>> Practicing the skill of competently dealing with fuck -ups
>>
>> is an art in it's own right. because if there is one thing you can bet on
>>
>> is a consistant flow of fucked-up situations.
>>
>> endless medium
>>
>> in which to create
>>
>>
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>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 11:11:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] A larger system of understanding
>>
>> Perils Ron?
>>
>> That has to do with the futute, and tis fear of a perilous future
>> which bugs me the most.  People always aftraid of what might happen.
>> So many good ideas don't happen because you can't buy insurance.
>>
>> Like insuarnce is some sort of great relief.
>>
>> And worries.  Like my wife always hits me with.  What if the county
>> fines us?  What if the lender forecloses? What if something bad
>> happens?  What if I don't get tenure?
>>
>> What if, what if, what if, on and on and on.
>>
>> All of it sucking energy out of the moment.
>>
>> Worry-warts are the real damn sissies of life and all that future talk
>> just makes me tired.
>>
>> You make the now sound attractive, and I'd like to go there.  But
>> every time I try and grasp it, now just slips away.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:47 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>> John,
>>> Oh, I agree, but neglecting the now for the comfort of past
>>> comes with it's own set of perils.
>>>
>>> the now aint fer sissies, thats for sure
>>>
>>> -Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 9:18:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] A larger system of understanding
>>>
>>> Hey Ron,
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:00 PM, X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey John,
>>>>
>>>> one persons hell is anothers paradise eh?
>>>>
>>>> Thought is experience, but an experience that leads from the now.
>>>>
>>>>  Bo would argue that MOQ is experience, but that assumes this idea
>>>> is all of experience. But thought is not all of experience is it?
>>>>
>>>> -Ron
>>>
>>> I can't imagine any way of thinking about experience outside of
>>> thought.  If its not a percept, not a concept, then it's not any
>>> experience I can imagine.
>>>
>>> And how can the MoQ be experience at the same time  a tool for dealing
>>> with experience?  Where's the fun in that?
>>>
>>> Bo must be unsane.
>>>
>>> In my humble opinion, the now is way over-rated.  I like living in the
>>> past.  It's so much more knowable, manipuable and non-threatening.
>>>
>>> The former John
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>> Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 10:57:54 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] A larger system of understanding
>>>>
>>>> Hey Ron, I had a thought:
>>>>
>>>> Thought is not a path to reality, it takes you farther from reality.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My thought was, which part of reality?  I mean, there is a small part of
>>>> reality that is my thought, and thinking it takes me closer to that aspect
>>>> of reality at least.
>>>>
>>>> But the rest fades away...
>>>>
>>>> Is that a good thing?  Or a bad thing?
>>>>
>>>> If the rest of reality is better than my thought, then it's a bad thing.
>>>>
>>>> But if my thought is better than the whole rest of reality, it'd be a good
>>>> thing to focus on it instead of the rest.
>>>>
>>>> We're always warned of solipsistic hells.  Well what about solipsistic
>>>> paradise?
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