[MD] Levels in electronic computers

[Ian Glendinning]

OK Magnus, as usual hopefully we're arguing about things we really agree on.

So you need to make two cases.

One that there is in fact a "level border" without fuzziness.
Two that your 3D-Fit idea is less fuzzy than any other living /
organic / biological definition.

My (our) position is that 3D (I'd say 4D) fuzziness exists at ALL
levels from fundamental physics upwards through different kinds of
chemistry (including non-chemical-bonding physical chemistries) like
taste, smell, catalysis, RNA / DNA bases, etc .... so why is the real
3D-Fit "especially" clear cut for the second level ? (Note especially
- you don't need to educate us in geometry and chemistry generally.)

Any more to the point why such a definition is better, pragmatically -
Andy's point - than the original "organic" - living organism -
viewpoint.

Ian
(PS for me "fit" and "quality" are near synonymous anyway - maybe ...
given where we're going with this ... the 3D geometry is spurious
anyway.)

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Magnus Berg <McMagnus at home.se> wrote:
> Hi again
>
> I didn't say there are *no* fuzziness in our reality.
>
> What I said was that if fuzziness is relevant, we're *not* looking at a
> level border.
>
>        Magnus
>
>
> On 2010-07-16 08:30, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>
>> And Magnus, choice and fuzziness in computers ?
>>
>> Leaving the "free will" debate out of choice for now .... computers
>> are full of fuzziness, there are particular organically (human)
>> created arrangements of the fuzzy (noisy electrons, buzzing silicon
>> and germanium lattices, rising and falling potentials) processes that
>> flip and flop as switches to choose digitally at one level we've
>> arranged.
>>
>> Having introduced this digital order, we do of course re-introduced
>> unpredictability and randomizers to re-interrupt the neat digital
>> clock cycles with the noise again.
>>
>> Depends where you look Magnus .... and at what "scale". The
>> predictability and repeatability has a scale dependent element.
>> Ian
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