[MD] Levels in electronic computers

[Ian Glendinning]

Sorry, missed out of the PS .... and that topological fit is maybe
more to do with "process".

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Ian Glendinning
<ian.glendinning at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK Magnus, as usual hopefully we're arguing about things we really agree on.
>
> So you need to make two cases.
>
> One that there is in fact a "level border" without fuzziness.
> Two that your 3D-Fit idea is less fuzzy than any other living /
> organic / biological definition.
>
> My (our) position is that 3D (I'd say 4D) fuzziness exists at ALL
> levels from fundamental physics upwards through different kinds of
> chemistry (including non-chemical-bonding physical chemistries) like
> taste, smell, catalysis, RNA / DNA bases, etc .... so why is the real
> 3D-Fit "especially" clear cut for the second level ? (Note especially
> - you don't need to educate us in geometry and chemistry generally.)
>
> Any more to the point why such a definition is better, pragmatically -
> Andy's point - than the original "organic" - living organism -
> viewpoint.
>
> Ian
> (PS for me "fit" and "quality" are near synonymous anyway - maybe ...
> given where we're going with this ... the 3D geometry is spurious
> anyway.)
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Magnus Berg <McMagnus at home.se> wrote:
>> Hi again
>>
>> I didn't say there are *no* fuzziness in our reality.
>>
>> What I said was that if fuzziness is relevant, we're *not* looking at a
>> level border.
>>
>>        Magnus
>>
>>
>> On 2010-07-16 08:30, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>>
>>> And Magnus, choice and fuzziness in computers ?
>>>
>>> Leaving the "free will" debate out of choice for now .... computers
>>> are full of fuzziness, there are particular organically (human)
>>> created arrangements of the fuzzy (noisy electrons, buzzing silicon
>>> and germanium lattices, rising and falling potentials) processes that
>>> flip and flop as switches to choose digitally at one level we've
>>> arranged.
>>>
>>> Having introduced this digital order, we do of course re-introduced
>>> unpredictability and randomizers to re-interrupt the neat digital
>>> clock cycles with the noise again.
>>>
>>> Depends where you look Magnus .... and at what "scale". The
>>> predictability and repeatability has a scale dependent element.
>>> Ian
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