[MD] Valuing Bodvar's SIM (BSIM)

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Krimel, All.

16 July.:

Bo before:
> It is of course the MOQ that "stops us" from using SOM as our frame of
> reference, but the weak interpretation renders MOQ impotent by its
> disastrous 4th.level which is SOM's "mind" in a Q-disguise. 

[Krimel]
> Please raise your hand if you think the 4th level is the mind. 

My bad English again, I meant to say that the weak interptertors make 
the 4th. intellectual level into something mind-like. Q-intellect has of 
course nothing to do with mind (which is SOM).

> The 4th level is ideas, concepts and they can exist separated from
> "minds". 

No, if so the "idea" to make flint tools was an intellectual pattern and 
the Neanderthals were intellectuals. Snap out of the notion that 
anything we think is intellect, it's not right even in SOM, my dictionary 
correctly defines intellect as the ability to distinguish what's subjective 
from what's objective, i.e. the S/O distinction. Spot on! The snag is that 
even my dictionary says "...the power of mind to distinguish" and 
hence the conclusion that because this goes on in our minds "intellect 
= MIND".  You somists have the SOM culture behind  you while we 
poor moqists have to resolve metaphysical disputes in every sentence.  
.

> Books and motorcycles have ideas encoded in them. They are
> part of the 4th level. 

Yes from inside SOM - inside the intellectual level - printed text, books, 
hieroglyphs and cuneiform clay tablets express IDEAS, but from the 
MOQ seen cuneiform tablets, hieroglyphs, Bible, Koran, Talmud ...etc 
express SOCIAL,value while Aristotle, Newton and Krimel's texts 
express INTELLECTUAL value. And - mark you - intellet's S/O is the 
highest and best static value, but is subordinated the DQ/SQ system .

> Ideas are intellectual patterns and while they originate in minds and
> are shared by minds they are not confined to minds.

"Ideas as intellectual patterns" is an unsavory mixture of MOQ and 
SOM. In MOQ there are "intellectual patterns" and they are invariably 
S/O-ish in some or other form. Inside intellect however  - in S/O-land - 
there are ideas that may manifest as material artefacts - as a 
motorcycle f.ex. -  but  they originate in minds and as ideas are 
confined to minds.

Bodvar.