[MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks

Sat Jul 17 08:48:26 PDT 2010

See, if one can not provide reasons for their beliefs
they can not make a value distinction on which ones are better.

may as well be religous beliefs

----- Original Message ----
From: X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com>
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Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:23:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks

Marsha,
Not really, just a matter of preference and the ability to persuade
others. Convincing arguements tend to be based on reasonable
explanations. What are your reasons for a belief?

But I don't think anyone can be convinced of anything unless
they are first open to being convinced.Thus the art of rhetoric.

I just think there is a distinction between practicing this art well
and practicing it poorly.

To reject reasons for beliefs, is in my opinion, practicing it poorly.

-Ron

----- Original Message ----
From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:02:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks

Ron,

This somehow seems like the difference between static value (patterns) and 
value judgements (good! - bad! or reasonable - irrational!).  I see the same 
issue with Magnus.  Do you see value and value judgements as different, 
or the same?

Marsha

On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:49 AM, X Acto wrote:

> 
> 
> [Platt]
> Reason (SOM) expanded human understanding of levels 1 and 2, but in so doing  
> left values in the dust and lost them there, going so far as to deny their 
> existence. The MOQ takes humanity to a new promontory of understanding where 
> one can see, if he will only open his eyes, a new reality of Quality (values) 
> whose structure makes reason (SOM) subordinate. 
> 
> Ron:
> SOM is not reason. Reason, or giving reasons for our beliefs instead of
> blind acceptance, is the intellectual level. SOM dominates reason
> because the explanations it provides yield a convincing arguement.
> 
> But your explanation above sounds more like it relies on blind acceptance.
> Because it rejects reasons for justifications of belief. Per SOL/SIM
> or whatever it's being called to avoid persecution by the moderator
> which convieniantly rejects any reasons for it's beliefs.
> 
> 
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