[MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks

[MarshaV]

Seems to me static patterns are quality (value) before whatever 
personal judgement one ascribes to them.  




On Jul 17, 2010, at 11:48 AM, X Acto wrote:

> See, if one can not provide reasons for their beliefs
> they can not make a value distinction on which ones are better.
> 
> may as well be religous beliefs
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> From: X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com>
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> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:23:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks
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> Marsha,
> Not really, just a matter of preference and the ability to persuade
> others. Convincing arguements tend to be based on reasonable
> explanations. What are your reasons for a belief?
> 
> But I don't think anyone can be convinced of anything unless
> they are first open to being convinced.Thus the art of rhetoric.
> 
> I just think there is a distinction between practicing this art well
> and practicing it poorly.
> 
> To reject reasons for beliefs, is in my opinion, practicing it poorly.
> 
> -Ron
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:02:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks
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> Ron,
> 
> This somehow seems like the difference between static value (patterns) and 
> value judgements (good! - bad! or reasonable - irrational!).  I see the same 
> issue with Magnus.  Do you see value and value judgements as different, 
> or the same?
> 
> 
> Marsha
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> On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:49 AM, X Acto wrote:
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>> 
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>> [Platt]
>> Reason (SOM) expanded human understanding of levels 1 and 2, but in so doing  
>> left values in the dust and lost them there, going so far as to deny their 
>> existence. The MOQ takes humanity to a new promontory of understanding where 
>> one can see, if he will only open his eyes, a new reality of Quality (values) 
>> whose structure makes reason (SOM) subordinate. 
>> 
>> Ron:
>> SOM is not reason. Reason, or giving reasons for our beliefs instead of
>> blind acceptance, is the intellectual level. SOM dominates reason
>> because the explanations it provides yield a convincing arguement.
>> 
>> But your explanation above sounds more like it relies on blind acceptance.
>> Because it rejects reasons for justifications of belief. Per SOL/SIM
>> or whatever it's being called to avoid persecution by the moderator
>> which convieniantly rejects any reasons for it's beliefs.
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