[MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks

[X Acto]

Marsha,

Depends on what values we are discussing
if we are discussing inorganic and organic
you are correct if we are talking social intellectual
then no I would not agree.

Social and especially intellectual values are
personal judgements in my own opinion.

Those values that support inorganic and organic
good, would seem better than those that do not.

This good, is what makes explanations true,it makes 
those explanations that support inorganic, organic
and even social goods valueable.

-Ron


 


----- Original Message ----
From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:54:08 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks


Seems to me static patterns are quality (value) before whatever 
personal judgement one ascribes to them.  




On Jul 17, 2010, at 11:48 AM, X Acto wrote:

> See, if one can not provide reasons for their beliefs
> they can not make a value distinction on which ones are better.
> 
> may as well be religous beliefs
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:23:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks
> 
> Marsha,
> Not really, just a matter of preference and the ability to persuade
> others. Convincing arguements tend to be based on reasonable
> explanations. What are your reasons for a belief?
> 
> But I don't think anyone can be convinced of anything unless
> they are first open to being convinced.Thus the art of rhetoric.
> 
> I just think there is a distinction between practicing this art well
> and practicing it poorly.
> 
> To reject reasons for beliefs, is in my opinion, practicing it poorly.
> 
> -Ron
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:02:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks
> 
> 
> Ron,
> 
> This somehow seems like the difference between static value (patterns) and 
> value judgements (good! - bad! or reasonable - irrational!).  I see the same 
> issue with Magnus.  Do you see value and value judgements as different, 
> or the same?
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:49 AM, X Acto wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> [Platt]
>> Reason (SOM) expanded human understanding of levels 1 and 2, but in so doing  

>> left values in the dust and lost them there, going so far as to deny their 
>> existence. The MOQ takes humanity to a new promontory of understanding where 
>> one can see, if he will only open his eyes, a new reality of Quality (values) 

>> whose structure makes reason (SOM) subordinate. 
>> 
>> Ron:
>> SOM is not reason. Reason, or giving reasons for our beliefs instead of
>> blind acceptance, is the intellectual level. SOM dominates reason
>> because the explanations it provides yield a convincing arguement.
>> 
>> But your explanation above sounds more like it relies on blind acceptance.
>> Because it rejects reasons for justifications of belief. Per SOL/SIM
>> or whatever it's being called to avoid persecution by the moderator
>> which convieniantly rejects any reasons for it's beliefs.
>> 
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