[MD] xacto's weak versus Lord Arioch's weak

[MarshaV]

On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:18 AM, X Acto wrote:

> Marsha,
> 
> Depends on what values we are discussing
> if we are discussing inorganic and organic
> you are correct if we are talking social intellectual
> then no I would not agree.
> 
> Social and especially intellectual values are
> personal judgements in my own opinion.
> 
> Those values that support inorganic and organic
> good, would seem better than those that do not.
> 
> This good, is what makes explanations true,it makes 
> those explanations that support inorganic, organic
> and even social goods valueable.
> 
> -Ron
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:54:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks
> 
> 
> Seems to me static patterns are quality (value) before whatever 
> personal judgement one ascribes to them.  
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> On Jul 17, 2010, at 11:48 AM, X Acto wrote:
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>> See, if one can not provide reasons for their beliefs
>> they can not make a value distinction on which ones are better.
>> 
>> may as well be religous beliefs
>> 
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>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:23:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks
>> 
>> Marsha,
>> Not really, just a matter of preference and the ability to persuade
>> others. Convincing arguements tend to be based on reasonable
>> explanations. What are your reasons for a belief?
>> 
>> But I don't think anyone can be convinced of anything unless
>> they are first open to being convinced.Thus the art of rhetoric.
>> 
>> I just think there is a distinction between practicing this art well
>> and practicing it poorly.
>> 
>> To reject reasons for beliefs, is in my opinion, practicing it poorly.
>> 
>> -Ron
>> 
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>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:02:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks
>> 
>> 
>> Ron,
>> 
>> This somehow seems like the difference between static value (patterns) and 
>> value judgements (good! - bad! or reasonable - irrational!).  I see the same 
>> issue with Magnus.  Do you see value and value judgements as different, 
>> or the same?
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
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>> On Jul 17, 2010, at 10:49 AM, X Acto wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [Platt]
>>> Reason (SOM) expanded human understanding of levels 1 and 2, but in so doing  
> 
>>> left values in the dust and lost them there, going so far as to deny their 
>>> existence. The MOQ takes humanity to a new promontory of understanding where 
>>> one can see, if he will only open his eyes, a new reality of Quality (values) 
> 
>>> whose structure makes reason (SOM) subordinate. 
>>> 
>>> Ron:
>>> SOM is not reason. Reason, or giving reasons for our beliefs instead of
>>> blind acceptance, is the intellectual level. SOM dominates reason
>>> because the explanations it provides yield a convincing arguement.
>>> 
>>> But your explanation above sounds more like it relies on blind acceptance.
>>> Because it rejects reasons for justifications of belief. Per SOL/SIM
>>> or whatever it's being called to avoid persecution by the moderator
>>> which convieniantly rejects any reasons for it's beliefs.
>>> 
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