[MD] inorganic patterns & thinking
MarshaV
valkyr at att.net
Mon Jul 19 14:10:27 PDT 2010
John,
You do remember I apologized for the offlist comment. But it
was a nice little reality check. When push came to shove, you
threw everything you had at me.
Thanks for sending the hugs. I feel I should send some to
you too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=hN8CKwdosjE
Marsha
On Jul 19, 2010, at 4:11 PM, John Carl wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=hN8CKwdosjE
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:06 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks John...
>>
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:56 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>
>>> I agree completely, Marsha.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:16 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can be such a patronizing dunderhead.
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't lick my balls but I can be a patronizing dunderhead.
>>>
>>> The dunderhead part I can't change. But the patronizing part I certainly
>>> can. What is my alternative? A matronizing dunderhead?
>>>
>>> Maybe I'll give it a shot. Show me how.
>>>
>>> I didn't throw away my father's
>>>> bible, I threw away the bible and the father dwelling within it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I believe throwing away the bible to be a high quality experience in the
>>> quest for self-realization and have done it myself.
>>>
>>> I've also found picking it up again to have high value as well.
>> Especially
>>> with the right attitude, and by the "right attitude" I don't mean
>> anything
>>> esoteric or mystic. I mean simply, intellectually and comparatively, in
>> the
>>> correct context of an understanding of the ultimate metaphysical
>>> underpinnings of the world which allows us to pick up any tome, any
>> teaching
>>> and ask, "is it good?"
>>>
>>> As opposed to the ways of modern religious indoctrination and control,
>> which
>>> I also abhor.
>>>
>>> Hmmmm... Matronizing dunderhead.. I actually might try that.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But then, that's me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yours as usual,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:47 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too much like whenever and whatever you, John, say it is... Sure,
>>>> you're
>>>>>> cute, but so what? I most certainly can refute Tom Robbins. I threw
>> my
>>>>>> bloody bible (father and all) into the the garbage and heaped on
>> coffee
>>>>>> grounds and egg shells.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With care,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:34 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You bet greed and materialism evolved for reasons, Marsha. But were
>>>> they
>>>>>>> good reasons? Or bad reasons?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The age old question, asked of Dorothy by the munchkins, "Are you a
>>>> good
>>>>>>> witch? Or a bad witch?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Applying the question to reason itself, I'd say that Reason has
>>>>>> definitely
>>>>>>> been a good thing. It's freed women, men and children from the
>>>>>> oppressions
>>>>>>> of nature, allowing humanity to blanket the earth with comfortable
>>>>>>> fecundity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, what men, women and children have done with their
>>>> freedom
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> another story entirely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reason has its limits, that aren't reason's fault.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anymore than its my hammer's fault that it's not an open-end 7/16
>> inch
>>>>>>> wrench.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I still think things like to be realized, and that's why there's
>>>>>>> intellect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Water invented man, so it could walk around and tell stories.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can't refute Tom Robbins,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:51 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:41 AM, John Carl wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well yes. But its a relationship created by the thinking. Not
>>>>>>>> naturally
>>>>>>>>> arising just because granite, gravity and protons are "there".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In other words, consciousness evolved for a reason. Or reason
>>>> evolved
>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>> reason, and that reason is that gravity, protons and granite like
>> to
>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> realized.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reason evolved for a reason? Either it did or it didn't. Oh
>> goodie,
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> greed
>>>>>>>> and Materialism evolved for a reason. Long live Plato and
>>>> Aristotle!!!
>>>>>>>> Down
>>>>>>>> with all women!!! Down with passion and heart!!! (sarcastically
>>>>>> written)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or maybe reason evolved with a twenty-five-hundred year-old
>>>> distortion,
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> masculine dis-ease, so pleased is he with his own ability to
>> destroy.
>>>>>>>> Yes, I _think_ that is more likely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so make their day. Think about them and fulfill their (and your)
>>>>>>>> destiny.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Happy thinking, dear Marsha,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:13 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do lead, granite, gravity and protons, all as patterns, have a
>>>>>>>> relationship
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> thinking/thoughts/consciousness? Do all patterns from all levels
>>>> have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> relationship with thinking/thoughts/consciousness? I do not mean
>> to
>>>>>>>>>> insinuate
>>>>>>>>>> that they are just ideas, but that they have a relationship with
>>>>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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