[MD] inorganic patterns & thinking

Mon Jul 19 13:11:11 PDT 2010

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On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:06 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
> Thanks John...
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:56 PM, John Carl wrote:
>
> > I agree completely, Marsha.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:16 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> You can be such a patronizing dunderhead.
> >
> >
> > I can't lick my balls but I can be a patronizing dunderhead.
> >
> > The dunderhead part I can't change.  But the patronizing part I certainly
> > can.  What is my alternative?  A matronizing dunderhead?
> >
> > Maybe I'll give it a shot.  Show me how.
> >
> > I didn't throw away my father's
> >> bible, I threw away the bible and the father dwelling within it.
> >>
> >>
> > I believe throwing away the bible to be a high quality experience in the
> > quest for self-realization and have done it myself.
> >
> > I've also found picking it up again to have high value as well.
>  Especially
> > with the right attitude, and by the "right attitude" I don't mean
> anything
> > esoteric or mystic.  I mean simply, intellectually and comparatively, in
> the
> > correct context of an understanding of the ultimate metaphysical
> > underpinnings of the world which allows us to pick up any tome, any
> teaching
> > and ask, "is it good?"
> >
> > As opposed to the ways of modern religious indoctrination and control,
> which
> > I also abhor.
> >
> > Hmmmm...  Matronizing dunderhead..  I actually might try that.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Marsha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> But then, that's me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> yours as usual,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:47 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> John,
> >>>>
> >>>> Too much like whenever and whatever you, John, say it is...   Sure,
> >> you're
> >>>> cute, but so what?  I most certainly can refute Tom Robbins.  I threw
> my
> >>>> bloody bible (father and all) into the the garbage and heaped on
> coffee
> >>>> grounds and egg shells.
> >>>>
> >>>> With care,
> >>>>
> >>>> Marsha
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:34 PM, John Carl wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> You bet greed and materialism evolved for reasons, Marsha.  But were
> >> they
> >>>>> good reasons?  Or bad reasons?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The age old question, asked of Dorothy by the munchkins, "Are you a
> >> good
> >>>>> witch?  Or a bad witch?"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Applying the question to reason itself, I'd say that Reason has
> >>>> definitely
> >>>>> been a good thing.  It's freed women, men and children from the
> >>>> oppressions
> >>>>> of nature, allowing humanity to blanket the earth with comfortable
> >>>>> fecundity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unfortunately, what men, women and children have done with their
> >> freedom
> >>>> is
> >>>>> another story entirely.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Reason has its limits, that aren't reason's fault.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anymore than its my hammer's fault that it's not an open-end 7/16
> inch
> >>>>> wrench.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And I still think things like to be realized, and that's why there's
> >>>>> intellect.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Water invented man, so it could walk around and tell stories.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can't refute Tom Robbins,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Take care,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:51 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:41 AM, John Carl wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well  yes.  But its a relationship created by the thinking.  Not
> >>>>>> naturally
> >>>>>>> arising just because granite, gravity and protons are "there".
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In other words, consciousness evolved for a reason.  Or reason
> >> evolved
> >>>>>> for a
> >>>>>>> reason, and that reason is that gravity, protons and granite like
> to
> >> be
> >>>>>>> realized.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Reason evolved for a reason?  Either it did or it didn't.  Oh
> goodie,
> >>>> than
> >>>>>> greed
> >>>>>> and Materialism evolved for a reason.  Long live Plato and
> >> Aristotle!!!
> >>>>>> Down
> >>>>>> with all women!!!  Down with passion and heart!!!  (sarcastically
> >>>> written)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or maybe reason evolved with a twenty-five-hundred year-old
> >> distortion,
> >>>> a
> >>>>>> masculine dis-ease, so pleased is he with his own ability to
> destroy.
> >>>>>> Yes, I _think_ that is more likely.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Marsha
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> so make their day.  Think about them and fulfill their (and your)
> >>>>>> destiny.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Happy thinking, dear Marsha,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:13 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Greetings,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Do lead, granite, gravity and protons, all as patterns, have a
> >>>>>> relationship
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> thinking/thoughts/consciousness?  Do all patterns from all levels
> >> have
> >>>> a
> >>>>>>>> relationship with thinking/thoughts/consciousness?  I do not mean
> to
> >>>>>>>> insinuate
> >>>>>>>> that they are just ideas, but that they have a relationship with
> >>>>>> thinking.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Marsha
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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