[MD] inorganic patterns & thinking

MarshaV valkyr at att.net
Mon Jul 19 13:06:45 PDT 2010 

Thanks John...   


On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:56 PM, John Carl wrote:

> I agree completely, Marsha.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:16 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> You can be such a patronizing dunderhead.
> 
> 
> I can't lick my balls but I can be a patronizing dunderhead.
> 
> The dunderhead part I can't change.  But the patronizing part I certainly
> can.  What is my alternative?  A matronizing dunderhead?
> 
> Maybe I'll give it a shot.  Show me how.
> 
> I didn't throw away my father's
>> bible, I threw away the bible and the father dwelling within it.
>> 
>> 
> I believe throwing away the bible to be a high quality experience in the
> quest for self-realization and have done it myself.
> 
> I've also found picking it up again to have high value as well.  Especially
> with the right attitude, and by the "right attitude" I don't mean anything
> esoteric or mystic.  I mean simply, intellectually and comparatively, in the
> correct context of an understanding of the ultimate metaphysical
> underpinnings of the world which allows us to pick up any tome, any teaching
> and ask, "is it good?"
> 
> As opposed to the ways of modern religious indoctrination and control, which
> I also abhor.
> 
> Hmmmm...  Matronizing dunderhead..  I actually might try that.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> But then, that's me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> yours as usual,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:47 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> John,
>>>> 
>>>> Too much like whenever and whatever you, John, say it is...   Sure,
>> you're
>>>> cute, but so what?  I most certainly can refute Tom Robbins.  I threw my
>>>> bloody bible (father and all) into the the garbage and heaped on coffee
>>>> grounds and egg shells.
>>>> 
>>>> With care,
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:34 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> You bet greed and materialism evolved for reasons, Marsha.  But were
>> they
>>>>> good reasons?  Or bad reasons?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The age old question, asked of Dorothy by the munchkins, "Are you a
>> good
>>>>> witch?  Or a bad witch?"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Applying the question to reason itself, I'd say that Reason has
>>>> definitely
>>>>> been a good thing.  It's freed women, men and children from the
>>>> oppressions
>>>>> of nature, allowing humanity to blanket the earth with comfortable
>>>>> fecundity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Unfortunately, what men, women and children have done with their
>> freedom
>>>> is
>>>>> another story entirely.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Reason has its limits, that aren't reason's fault.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anymore than its my hammer's fault that it's not an open-end 7/16 inch
>>>>> wrench.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And I still think things like to be realized, and that's why there's
>>>>> intellect.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Water invented man, so it could walk around and tell stories.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can't refute Tom Robbins,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 11:51 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:41 AM, John Carl wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well  yes.  But its a relationship created by the thinking.  Not
>>>>>> naturally
>>>>>>> arising just because granite, gravity and protons are "there".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In other words, consciousness evolved for a reason.  Or reason
>> evolved
>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>> reason, and that reason is that gravity, protons and granite like to
>> be
>>>>>>> realized.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reason evolved for a reason?  Either it did or it didn't.  Oh goodie,
>>>> than
>>>>>> greed
>>>>>> and Materialism evolved for a reason.  Long live Plato and
>> Aristotle!!!
>>>>>> Down
>>>>>> with all women!!!  Down with passion and heart!!!  (sarcastically
>>>> written)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or maybe reason evolved with a twenty-five-hundred year-old
>> distortion,
>>>> a
>>>>>> masculine dis-ease, so pleased is he with his own ability to destroy.
>>>>>> Yes, I _think_ that is more likely.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> so make their day.  Think about them and fulfill their (and your)
>>>>>> destiny.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Happy thinking, dear Marsha,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:13 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Do lead, granite, gravity and protons, all as patterns, have a
>>>>>> relationship
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> thinking/thoughts/consciousness?  Do all patterns from all levels
>> have
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> relationship with thinking/thoughts/consciousness?  I do not mean to
>>>>>>>> insinuate
>>>>>>>> that they are just ideas, but that they have a relationship with
>>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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