[MD] the MoRaT

Platt Holden plattholden at gmail.com
Mon Jul 19 19:03:26 PDT 2010 

[Platt}
Different thread but the same Roman voice. Nor do I consider satire
intellectual
when it's nonsensical.

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:

>  Different thread Platt so as you say - " When in Rome..."
> The thread in question was satirical (intellectual), yours and Marsha's
> response was ad hominem (social)
> What does the MoQ say about that?
>
>
>
> On 19/07/2010 22:24, Platt Holden wrote:
>
>> [Platt]
>> Maybe not in that thread but in Ron's residence in Rome personal insults
>> are
>> frequent: Ex:
>> "Love that quote do'nt you? you should have it typed in brail so you can
>> shove it up ass and read it ..
>>  now that's new." (Post July 18)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>  wrote:
>>
>>   So where in the MoRaT thread was Ron being negative or making ad hominem
>>> comments?
>>> Satirical, yes. Sarcastic maybe. Ad Hominem? I don't think so.
>>> And why can't the SOLsters reply in the same vein as per "When in
>>> Rome...."
>>> or are the Roman grapes a bit sour at the moment?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19/07/2010 20:44, Platt Holden wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Horse,
>>>>
>>>> When in Rome . . .
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Platt
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come
>>>> from
>>>>
>>>>> the SOLsters!
>>>>> Who'd'a thought?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Marsha,
>>>>>
>>>>>> Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything.
>>>>>> And there goes knowledge down the tube.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More meds anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Platt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>    wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Point?  I figured he forgot to take his meds.   Again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Think maybe you've made your point Ron ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  ;-)
>>>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  The most damning evidence of all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "This was the first time he'd been passive like this.
>>>>>>>>> Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal
>>>>>>>>> desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up.
>>>>>>>>> What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't
>>>>>>>>>  had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it,
>>>>>>>>> half awake, half asleep."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> more affirmation!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the MoRaT is unassailable!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  ladies?'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the
>>>>>>>> thirteenth
>>>>>>>> century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there
>>>>>>>> ought
>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>> some way you could have both."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  once again proof Pirsig advocates rape
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring
>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  this
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pattern
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring them."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms
>>>>>>>>> cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that
>>>>>>>>> did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism
>>>>>>>>> that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing
>>>>>>>>>  food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism
>>>>>>>>> that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance,
>>>>>>>>>  feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its
>>>>>>>>> own independent purposes. Later he saw there was"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!!
>>>>>>>>> the true MoQ
>>>>>>>>> This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> where Pirsig justifies cannibalism.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of
>>>>>>>>> human
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  bodies is
>>>>>>>>> a moral activity"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The MoRaT is affirmed again!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And since it seems we can say anything we want to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want to introduce MoRaT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The metaphysics of rape and torture
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that rape and torture are morally superior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>> "Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the
>>>>>>>>> crowds
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> their tension.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it.
>>>>>>>>> He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape,
>>>>>>>>> ticking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  out
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> unpredictable
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of luck.
>>>>>>>>> Luck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  When E.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> B. White
>>>>>>>>>  wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  lucky,' he
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> meant not just
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  some set
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> static pattern,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  when the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  opportunity to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rape
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  and torture at every opportunity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is the real MoQ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The one Pirsig meant
>>>>>>>>>  it is so obviouse
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the
>>>>>>>>> one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Ro
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&    thinking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since the theory is "nothing is real"
>>>>>>>>> test that theory by standing in traffic
>>>>>>>>> or jumping off a building.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> see what happens
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>>> From: Magnus Berg<McMagnus at home.se>
>>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&    thinking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only form
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> color.  But one can experience sight sans even form and color too.
>>>>>>>>>> It is ALL conceived.  It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no other
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  relationship
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> between the perceived object in your head and the object observed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  internal image
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm not
>>>>>>>> saying that
>>>>>>>> your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your
>>>>>>>> brain
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  dependency and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic patterns,
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  can know
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that there are inorganic patterns. From there, I don't think it's
>>>>>>>> arrogant
>>>>>>>> anymore to give the stone a status of real.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Magnus
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