[MD] the MoRaT

Horse horse at darkstar.uk.net
Mon Jul 19 15:21:47 PDT 2010 

  Different thread Platt so as you say - " When in Rome..."
The thread in question was satirical (intellectual), yours and Marsha's 
response was ad hominem (social)
What does the MoQ say about that?


On 19/07/2010 22:24, Platt Holden wrote:
> [Platt]
> Maybe not in that thread but in Ron's residence in Rome personal insults are
> frequent: Ex:
> "Love that quote do'nt you? you should have it typed in brail so you can
> shove it up ass and read it ..
>   now that's new." (Post July 18)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>  wrote:
>
>>   So where in the MoRaT thread was Ron being negative or making ad hominem
>> comments?
>> Satirical, yes. Sarcastic maybe. Ad Hominem? I don't think so.
>> And why can't the SOLsters reply in the same vein as per "When in Rome...."
>> or are the Roman grapes a bit sour at the moment?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19/07/2010 20:44, Platt Holden wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Horse,
>>>
>>> When in Rome . . .
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Platt
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>   wrote:
>>>
>>>    It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come from
>>>> the SOLsters!
>>>> Who'd'a thought?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Hi Marsha,
>>>>> Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything.
>>>>> And there goes knowledge down the tube.
>>>>>
>>>>> More meds anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Platt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>    wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Point?  I figured he forgot to take his meds.   Again.
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Think maybe you've made your point Ron ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   The most damning evidence of all
>>>>>>>> After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "This was the first time he'd been passive like this.
>>>>>>>> Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal
>>>>>>>> desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up.
>>>>>>>> What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't
>>>>>>>>   had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it,
>>>>>>>> half awake, half asleep."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> more affirmation!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the MoRaT is unassailable!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   ladies?'
>>>>>>> That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the
>>>>>>> thirteenth
>>>>>>> century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there ought
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> some way you could have both."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> once again proof Pirsig advocates rape
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring them,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   this
>>>>>>> pattern
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring them."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms
>>>>>>>> cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that
>>>>>>>> did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism
>>>>>>>> that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing
>>>>>>>>   food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism
>>>>>>>> that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance,
>>>>>>>>   feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its
>>>>>>>> own independent purposes. Later he saw there was"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!!
>>>>>>>> the true MoQ
>>>>>>>> This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> where Pirsig justifies cannibalism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of
>>>>>>>> human
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   bodies is
>>>>>>>> a moral activity"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The MoRaT is affirmed again!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And since it seems we can say anything we want to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to introduce MoRaT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The metaphysics of rape and torture
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that rape and torture are morally superior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>> "Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the
>>>>>>>> crowds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   and
>>>>>>> their tension.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it.
>>>>>>>> He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape,
>>>>>>>> ticking
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   out
>>>>>>> unpredictable
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of luck.
>>>>>>>> Luck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   When E.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> B. White
>>>>>>>>   wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   lucky,' he
>>>>>>> meant not just
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   some set
>>>>>>> static pattern,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose, and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   when the
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   opportunity to
>>>>>>> rape
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and torture at every opportunity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is the real MoQ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The one Pirsig meant
>>>>>>>>   it is so obviouse
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the
>>>>>>>> one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Ro
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&    thinking
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since the theory is "nothing is real"
>>>>>>>> test that theory by standing in traffic
>>>>>>>> or jumping off a building.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see what happens
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>> From: Magnus Berg<McMagnus at home.se>
>>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&    thinking
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only form
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> color.  But one can experience sight sans even form and color too.
>>>>>>>>> It is ALL conceived.  It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any but
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no other
>>>>>>>>   relationship
>>>>>>> between the perceived object in your head and the object observed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   internal image
>>>>>>> of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm not
>>>>>>> saying that
>>>>>>> your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your
>>>>>>> brain
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   dependency and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic patterns,
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   can know
>>>>>>> that there are inorganic patterns. From there, I don't think it's
>>>>>>> arrogant
>>>>>>> anymore to give the stone a status of real.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Magnus
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