[MD] the MoRaT

Platt Holden plattholden at gmail.com
Mon Jul 19 19:05:48 PDT 2010 

[Platt}
I thought it was funny, too, superbly ridiculous.

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 5:52 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:

> was that an insult Platt?  I thought it was offered as an example of
> original thinking, with merely insulting overtones.
>
> And also, funny as hell.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Platt Holden <plattholden at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > [Platt]
> > Maybe not in that thread but in Ron's residence in Rome personal insults
> > are
> > frequent: Ex:
> > "Love that quote do'nt you? you should have it typed in brail so you can
> > shove it up ass and read it ..
> >  now that's new." (Post July 18)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
> >
> > >  So where in the MoRaT thread was Ron being negative or making ad
> hominem
> > > comments?
> > > Satirical, yes. Sarcastic maybe. Ad Hominem? I don't think so.
> > > And why can't the SOLsters reply in the same vein as per "When in
> > Rome...."
> > > or are the Roman grapes a bit sour at the moment?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 19/07/2010 20:44, Platt Holden wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Horse,
> > >>
> > >> When in Rome . . .
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Platt
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>   It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come
> > from
> > >>> the SOLsters!
> > >>> Who'd'a thought?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  Hi Marsha,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything.
> > >>>> And there goes knowledge down the tube.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> More meds anyone?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Platt
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> .
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>   wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Point?  I figured he forgot to take his meds.   Again.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Marsha
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  Think maybe you've made your point Ron ?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> ;-)
> > >>>>>> Ian
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  The most damning evidence of all
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light"
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> "This was the first time he'd been passive like this.
> > >>>>>>> Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal
> > >>>>>>> desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up.
> > >>>>>>> What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't
> > >>>>>>>  had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it,
> > >>>>>>> half awake, half asleep."
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> more affirmation!!!!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the MoRaT is unassailable!!!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to
> > the
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  ladies?'
> > >>>>>> That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the
> > >>>>>> thirteenth
> > >>>>>> century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there
> > ought
> > >>>>>> to be
> > >>>>>> some way you could have both."
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> once again proof Pirsig advocates rape
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> "Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring
> > them,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  this
> > >>>>>> pattern
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring
> them."
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms
> > >>>>>>> cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> "He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that
> > >>>>>>> did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism
> > >>>>>>> that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing
> > >>>>>>>  food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism
> > >>>>>>> that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance,
> > >>>>>>>  feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its
> > >>>>>>> own independent purposes. Later he saw there was"
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!!
> > >>>>>>> the true MoQ
> > >>>>>>> This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> where Pirsig justifies cannibalism.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> "From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of
> > >>>>>>> human
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  bodies is
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> a moral activity"
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The MoRaT is affirmed again!!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [MD] the MoRaT
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> And since it seems we can say anything we want to
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I want to introduce MoRaT
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The metaphysics of rape and torture
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> that rape and torture are morally superior.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> "
> > >>>>>>> "Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the
> > >>>>>>> crowds
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  and
> > >>>>>> their tension.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it.
> > >>>>>>> He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape,
> > >>>>>>> ticking
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  out
> > >>>>>> unpredictable
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of
> luck.
> > >>>>>>> Luck.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  When E.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> B. White
> > >>>>>>>  wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to
> > be
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  lucky,' he
> > >>>>>> meant not just
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling
> > to
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  some set
> > >>>>>> static pattern,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose,
> > and
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  when the
> > >>>>>> time
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky"
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  opportunity to
> > >>>>>> rape
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> and torture at every opportunity.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This is the real MoQ
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The one Pirsig meant
> > >>>>>>>  it is so obviouse
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the
> > >>>>>>> one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> -Ro
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> > >>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&   thinking
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Since the theory is "nothing is real"
> > >>>>>>> test that theory by standing in traffic
> > >>>>>>> or jumping off a building.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> see what happens
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> please
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> > >>>>>>> From: Magnus Berg<McMagnus at home.se>
> > >>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&   thinking
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only
> form
> > >>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>> color.  But one can experience sight sans even form and color
> too.
> > >>>>>>>> It is ALL conceived.  It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any
> > but
> > >>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>> arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>  Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no
> other
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  relationship
> > >>>>>> between the perceived object in your head and the object observed.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  internal image
> > >>>>>> of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm
> not
> > >>>>>> saying that
> > >>>>>> your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your
> > >>>>>> brain
> > >>>>>> is
> > >>>>>> supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  dependency and
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic
> patterns,
> > >>>>>>> we
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>  can know
> > >>>>>> that there are inorganic patterns. From there, I don't think it's
> > >>>>>> arrogant
> > >>>>>> anymore to give the stone a status of real.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>     Magnus
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