[MD] the MoRaT

John Carl ridgecoyote at gmail.com
Mon Jul 19 14:52:56 PDT 2010 

was that an insult Platt?  I thought it was offered as an example of
original thinking, with merely insulting overtones.

And also, funny as hell.





On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Platt Holden <plattholden at gmail.com> wrote:

> [Platt]
> Maybe not in that thread but in Ron's residence in Rome personal insults
> are
> frequent: Ex:
> "Love that quote do'nt you? you should have it typed in brail so you can
> shove it up ass and read it ..
>  now that's new." (Post July 18)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>
> >  So where in the MoRaT thread was Ron being negative or making ad hominem
> > comments?
> > Satirical, yes. Sarcastic maybe. Ad Hominem? I don't think so.
> > And why can't the SOLsters reply in the same vein as per "When in
> Rome...."
> > or are the Roman grapes a bit sour at the moment?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 19/07/2010 20:44, Platt Holden wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Horse,
> >>
> >> When in Rome . . .
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Platt
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>  wrote:
> >>
> >>   It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come
> from
> >>> the SOLsters!
> >>> Who'd'a thought?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Hi Marsha,
> >>>>
> >>>> Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything.
> >>>> And there goes knowledge down the tube.
> >>>>
> >>>> More meds anyone?
> >>>>
> >>>> Platt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> .
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>   wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  Point?  I figured he forgot to take his meds.   Again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Marsha
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Think maybe you've made your point Ron ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ;-)
> >>>>>> Ian
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  The most damning evidence of all
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "This was the first time he'd been passive like this.
> >>>>>>> Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal
> >>>>>>> desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up.
> >>>>>>> What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't
> >>>>>>>  had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it,
> >>>>>>> half awake, half asleep."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> more affirmation!!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the MoRaT is unassailable!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
> >>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to
> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  ladies?'
> >>>>>> That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the
> >>>>>> thirteenth
> >>>>>> century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there
> ought
> >>>>>> to be
> >>>>>> some way you could have both."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> once again proof Pirsig advocates rape
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
> >>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring
> them,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  this
> >>>>>> pattern
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring them."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms
> >>>>>>> cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that
> >>>>>>> did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism
> >>>>>>> that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing
> >>>>>>>  food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism
> >>>>>>> that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance,
> >>>>>>>  feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its
> >>>>>>> own independent purposes. Later he saw there was"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!!
> >>>>>>> the true MoQ
> >>>>>>> This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
> >>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> where Pirsig justifies cannibalism.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of
> >>>>>>> human
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  bodies is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> a moral activity"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The MoRaT is affirmed again!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
> >>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: [MD] the MoRaT
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And since it seems we can say anything we want to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I want to introduce MoRaT
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The metaphysics of rape and torture
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> that rape and torture are morally superior.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "
> >>>>>>> "Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the
> >>>>>>> crowds
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  and
> >>>>>> their tension.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it.
> >>>>>>> He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape,
> >>>>>>> ticking
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  out
> >>>>>> unpredictable
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of luck.
> >>>>>>> Luck.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  When E.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> B. White
> >>>>>>>  wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to
> be
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  lucky,' he
> >>>>>> meant not just
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling
> to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  some set
> >>>>>> static pattern,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose,
> and
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  when the
> >>>>>> time
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  opportunity to
> >>>>>> rape
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and torture at every opportunity.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is the real MoQ
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The one Pirsig meant
> >>>>>>>  it is so obviouse
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the
> >>>>>>> one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Ro
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
> >>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&   thinking
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Since the theory is "nothing is real"
> >>>>>>> test that theory by standing in traffic
> >>>>>>> or jumping off a building.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> see what happens
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> please
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>>>> From: Magnus Berg<McMagnus at home.se>
> >>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&   thinking
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only form
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> color.  But one can experience sight sans even form and color too.
> >>>>>>>> It is ALL conceived.  It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any
> but
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no other
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  relationship
> >>>>>> between the perceived object in your head and the object observed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  internal image
> >>>>>> of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm not
> >>>>>> saying that
> >>>>>> your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your
> >>>>>> brain
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>> supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  dependency and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic patterns,
> >>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  can know
> >>>>>> that there are inorganic patterns. From there, I don't think it's
> >>>>>> arrogant
> >>>>>> anymore to give the stone a status of real.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     Magnus
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