[MD] the MoRaT

Platt Holden plattholden at gmail.com
Mon Jul 19 14:24:55 PDT 2010 

[Platt]
Maybe not in that thread but in Ron's residence in Rome personal insults are
frequent: Ex:
"Love that quote do'nt you? you should have it typed in brail so you can
shove it up ass and read it ..
 now that's new." (Post July 18)



On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:

>  So where in the MoRaT thread was Ron being negative or making ad hominem
> comments?
> Satirical, yes. Sarcastic maybe. Ad Hominem? I don't think so.
> And why can't the SOLsters reply in the same vein as per "When in Rome...."
> or are the Roman grapes a bit sour at the moment?
>
>
>
>
> On 19/07/2010 20:44, Platt Holden wrote:
>
>> Hi Horse,
>>
>> When in Rome . . .
>>
>> Regards,
>> Platt
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>  wrote:
>>
>>   It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come from
>>> the SOLsters!
>>> Who'd'a thought?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Marsha,
>>>>
>>>> Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything.
>>>> And there goes knowledge down the tube.
>>>>
>>>> More meds anyone?
>>>>
>>>> Platt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Point?  I figured he forgot to take his meds.   Again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Think maybe you've made your point Ron ?
>>>>>
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The most damning evidence of all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "This was the first time he'd been passive like this.
>>>>>>> Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal
>>>>>>> desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up.
>>>>>>> What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't
>>>>>>>  had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it,
>>>>>>> half awake, half asleep."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> more affirmation!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the MoRaT is unassailable!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  ladies?'
>>>>>> That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the
>>>>>> thirteenth
>>>>>> century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there ought
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>> some way you could have both."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> once again proof Pirsig advocates rape
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring them,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  this
>>>>>> pattern
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring them."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms
>>>>>>> cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that
>>>>>>> did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism
>>>>>>> that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing
>>>>>>>  food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism
>>>>>>> that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance,
>>>>>>>  feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its
>>>>>>> own independent purposes. Later he saw there was"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!!
>>>>>>> the true MoQ
>>>>>>> This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> where Pirsig justifies cannibalism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of
>>>>>>> human
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  bodies is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a moral activity"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The MoRaT is affirmed again!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And since it seems we can say anything we want to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to introduce MoRaT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The metaphysics of rape and torture
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that rape and torture are morally superior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>> "Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the
>>>>>>> crowds
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  and
>>>>>> their tension.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it.
>>>>>>> He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape,
>>>>>>> ticking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  out
>>>>>> unpredictable
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of luck.
>>>>>>> Luck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  When E.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B. White
>>>>>>>  wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  lucky,' he
>>>>>> meant not just
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  some set
>>>>>> static pattern,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose, and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  when the
>>>>>> time
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  opportunity to
>>>>>> rape
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and torture at every opportunity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the real MoQ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The one Pirsig meant
>>>>>>>  it is so obviouse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the
>>>>>>> one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Ro
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&   thinking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since the theory is "nothing is real"
>>>>>>> test that theory by standing in traffic
>>>>>>> or jumping off a building.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> see what happens
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: Magnus Berg<McMagnus at home.se>
>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&   thinking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only form
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> color.  But one can experience sight sans even form and color too.
>>>>>>>> It is ALL conceived.  It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any but
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no other
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  relationship
>>>>>> between the perceived object in your head and the object observed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  internal image
>>>>>> of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm not
>>>>>> saying that
>>>>>> your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your
>>>>>> brain
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  dependency and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic patterns,
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  can know
>>>>>> that there are inorganic patterns. From there, I don't think it's
>>>>>> arrogant
>>>>>> anymore to give the stone a status of real.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Magnus
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