[MD] the MoRaT

MarshaV valkyr at att.net
Mon Jul 19 13:31:54 PDT 2010 

Horse,

Has Ron complained that his feelings have been hurt?  I certainly 
wouldn't want to hurt his feelings.


Marsha  








On Jul 19, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Horse wrote:

> So where in the MoRaT thread was Ron being negative or making ad hominem comments?
> Satirical, yes. Sarcastic maybe. Ad Hominem? I don't think so.
> And why can't the SOLsters reply in the same vein as per "When in Rome...." or are the Roman grapes a bit sour at the moment?
> 
> 
> 
> On 19/07/2010 20:44, Platt Holden wrote:
>> Hi Horse,
>> 
>> When in Rome . . .
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Platt
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>  wrote:
>> 
>>>  It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come from
>>> the SOLsters!
>>> Who'd'a thought?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>> 
>>>> Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything.
>>>> And there goes knowledge down the tube.
>>>> 
>>>> More meds anyone?
>>>> 
>>>> Platt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> .
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>   wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Point?  I figured he forgot to take his meds.   Again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Think maybe you've made your point Ron ?
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The most damning evidence of all
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "This was the first time he'd been passive like this.
>>>>>>> Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal
>>>>>>> desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up.
>>>>>>> What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't
>>>>>>>  had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it,
>>>>>>> half awake, half asleep."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> more affirmation!!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the MoRaT is unassailable!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to the
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ladies?'
>>>>>> That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the
>>>>>> thirteenth
>>>>>> century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there ought
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>> some way you could have both."
>>>>>>> once again proof Pirsig advocates rape
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring them,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> pattern
>>>>>>> grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring them."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms
>>>>>>> cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that
>>>>>>> did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism
>>>>>>> that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing
>>>>>>>  food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism
>>>>>>> that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance,
>>>>>>>  feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its
>>>>>>> own independent purposes. Later he saw there was"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!!
>>>>>>> the true MoQ
>>>>>>> This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> where Pirsig justifies cannibalism.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of human
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> bodies is
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> a moral activity"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The MoRaT is affirmed again!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And since it seems we can say anything we want to
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I want to introduce MoRaT
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The metaphysics of rape and torture
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> that rape and torture are morally superior.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>> "Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the
>>>>>>> crowds
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> their tension.
>>>>>>> All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it.
>>>>>>> He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape, ticking
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> unpredictable
>>>>>>>  fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of luck.
>>>>>>> Luck.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When E.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> B. White
>>>>>>>  wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to be
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> lucky,' he
>>>>>> meant not just
>>>>>>>  'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling to
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> some set
>>>>>> static pattern,
>>>>>>> when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose, and
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> when the
>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> opportunity to
>>>>>> rape
>>>>>>> and torture at every opportunity.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This is the real MoQ
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The one Pirsig meant
>>>>>>>  it is so obviouse
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the
>>>>>>> one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Ro
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&   thinking
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Since the theory is "nothing is real"
>>>>>>> test that theory by standing in traffic
>>>>>>> or jumping off a building.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> see what happens
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>>> From: Magnus Berg<McMagnus at home.se>
>>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&   thinking
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only form and
>>>>>>>> color.  But one can experience sight sans even form and color too.
>>>>>>>> It is ALL conceived.  It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any but
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no other
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> relationship
>>>>>> between the perceived object in your head and the object observed.
>>>>>>> But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> internal image
>>>>>> of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm not
>>>>>> saying that
>>>>>> your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your brain
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone.
>>>>>>> So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> dependency and
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic patterns, we
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> can know
>>>>>> that there are inorganic patterns. From there, I don't think it's
>>>>>> arrogant
>>>>>> anymore to give the stone a status of real.
>>>>>>>     Magnus
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