[MD] the MoRaT

Horse horse at darkstar.uk.net
Mon Jul 19 13:04:22 PDT 2010 

  So where in the MoRaT thread was Ron being negative or making ad 
hominem comments?
Satirical, yes. Sarcastic maybe. Ad Hominem? I don't think so.
And why can't the SOLsters reply in the same vein as per "When in 
Rome...." or are the Roman grapes a bit sour at the moment?



On 19/07/2010 20:44, Platt Holden wrote:
> Hi Horse,
>
> When in Rome . . .
>
> Regards,
> Platt
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse<horse at darkstar.uk.net>  wrote:
>
>>   It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come from
>> the SOLsters!
>> Who'd'a thought?
>>
>>
>> On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>>
>>> Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything.
>>> And there goes knowledge down the tube.
>>>
>>> More meds anyone?
>>>
>>> Platt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Point?  I figured he forgot to take his meds.   Again.
>>>>
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Think maybe you've made your point Ron ?
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The most damning evidence of all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "This was the first time he'd been passive like this.
>>>>>> Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal
>>>>>> desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up.
>>>>>> What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't
>>>>>>   had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it,
>>>>>> half awake, half asleep."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> more affirmation!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the MoRaT is unassailable!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to the
>>>>>>
>>>>> ladies?'
>>>>> That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the
>>>>> thirteenth
>>>>> century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there ought
>>>>> to be
>>>>> some way you could have both."
>>>>>> once again proof Pirsig advocates rape
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring them,
>>>>>>
>>>>> this
>>>>> pattern
>>>>>> grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring them."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms
>>>>>> cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that
>>>>>> did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism
>>>>>> that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing
>>>>>>   food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism
>>>>>> that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance,
>>>>>>   feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its
>>>>>> own independent purposes. Later he saw there was"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!!
>>>>>> the true MoQ
>>>>>> This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> where Pirsig justifies cannibalism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of human
>>>>>>
>>>>> bodies is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a moral activity"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The MoRaT is affirmed again!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And since it seems we can say anything we want to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to introduce MoRaT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The metaphysics of rape and torture
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that rape and torture are morally superior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "
>>>>>> "Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the
>>>>>> crowds
>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> their tension.
>>>>>> All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it.
>>>>>> He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape, ticking
>>>>>>
>>>>> out
>>>>> unpredictable
>>>>>>   fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of luck.
>>>>>> Luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>> When E.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B. White
>>>>>>   wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to be
>>>>>>
>>>>> lucky,' he
>>>>> meant not just
>>>>>>   'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling to
>>>>>>
>>>>> some set
>>>>> static pattern,
>>>>>> when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose, and
>>>>>>
>>>>> when the
>>>>> time
>>>>>> comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the
>>>>>>
>>>>> opportunity to
>>>>> rape
>>>>>> and torture at every opportunity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the real MoQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The one Pirsig meant
>>>>>>   it is so obviouse
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the
>>>>>> one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Ro
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&   thinking
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since the theory is "nothing is real"
>>>>>> test that theory by standing in traffic
>>>>>> or jumping off a building.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see what happens
>>>>>>
>>>>>> please
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: Magnus Berg<McMagnus at home.se>
>>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&   thinking
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only form and
>>>>>>> color.  But one can experience sight sans even form and color too.
>>>>>>> It is ALL conceived.  It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any but
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no other
>>>>>>
>>>>> relationship
>>>>> between the perceived object in your head and the object observed.
>>>>>> But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our
>>>>>>
>>>>> internal image
>>>>> of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm not
>>>>> saying that
>>>>> your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your brain
>>>>> is
>>>>> supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone.
>>>>>> So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level
>>>>>>
>>>>> dependency and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic patterns, we
>>>>>>
>>>>> can know
>>>>> that there are inorganic patterns. From there, I don't think it's
>>>>> arrogant
>>>>> anymore to give the stone a status of real.
>>>>>>      Magnus
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