[MD] the MoRaT

Platt Holden plattholden at gmail.com
Mon Jul 19 12:44:41 PDT 2010 

Hi Horse,

When in Rome . . .

Regards,
Platt

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:

>  It's a bit odd that the negative and ad hominem comments have come from
> the SOLsters!
> Who'd'a thought?
>
>
> On 19/07/2010 17:49, Platt Holden wrote:
>
>> Hi Marsha,
>>
>> Me, too. His point is to never quote anyone about anything.
>> And there goes knowledge down the tube.
>>
>> More meds anyone?
>>
>> Platt
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM, MarshaV<valkyr at att.net>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Point?  I figured he forgot to take his meds.   Again.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>>
>>>  Think maybe you've made your point Ron ?
>>>> ;-)
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The most damning evidence of all
>>>>>
>>>>> After Lila rapes Phaedrus, he "see's the light"
>>>>>
>>>>> "This was the first time he'd been passive like this.
>>>>> Before it had been his idea, his aggression, his carnal
>>>>> desires. Now this passivity seemed to open something up.
>>>>> What he seemed to have seen was that maybe 'he' hadn't
>>>>>  had anything to do with it at all. He tried to hang on to it,
>>>>> half awake, half asleep."
>>>>>
>>>>> more affirmation!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> the MoRaT is unassailable!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:51:31 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Is it better to have wisdom or is it better to be attractive to the
>>>>>
>>>> ladies?'
>>>
>>>> That was a question debated by Provengal poets way back in the
>>>>>
>>>> thirteenth
>>>
>>>> century. Sidis opted for wisdom, but it seemed to Phaedrus there ought
>>>>>
>>>> to be
>>>
>>>> some way you could have both."
>>>>>
>>>>> once again proof Pirsig advocates rape
>>>>>
>>>>> MoRaT affirmed AGAIN!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:44:26 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>
>>>>> "Just as a farmer raises cows for the sole purpose of devouring them,
>>>>>
>>>> this
>>>
>>>> pattern
>>>>>
>>>>> grows living human bodies for the sole purpose of devouring them."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> more evidence for the MoRaT, the true MoQ
>>>>>
>>>>> and the most damning evidence that Pirsig indeed affirms
>>>>> cannabalism and the rape and torture of inferior peoples:
>>>>>
>>>>> "He also used to wonder if there was a higher farmer that
>>>>> did the same thing to people, a different kind of organism
>>>>> that they saw every day and thought of as beneficial, providing
>>>>>  food and shelter and protection from enemies, but an organism
>>>>> that secretly was raising these people for its own sustenance,
>>>>>  feeding upon them and using their accumulated energy for its
>>>>> own independent purposes. Later he saw there was"
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again the MoRaT is confirmed!!!
>>>>> the true MoQ
>>>>> This unassailable position, that devours all platypus,- burp!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:26:48 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>
>>>>> More evidence for the MoRaT interpretation
>>>>>
>>>>> where Pirsig justifies cannibalism.
>>>>>
>>>>> "From a Metaphysics of Quality's point of view this devouring of human
>>>>>
>>>> bodies is
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> a moral activity"
>>>>>
>>>>> The MoRaT is affirmed again!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:06:45 AM
>>>>> Subject: [MD] the MoRaT
>>>>>
>>>>> And since it seems we can say anything we want to
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to introduce MoRaT
>>>>>
>>>>> The metaphysics of rape and torture
>>>>>
>>>>> Pirsig clearly supports this in my interpretation
>>>>>
>>>>> that rape and torture are morally superior.
>>>>>
>>>>> "
>>>>> "Now Phaedrus felt it all around him - the speed, the height, the
>>>>> crowds
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>
>>>> their tension.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the early strangeness was gone now. He was in it.
>>>>> He remembered that its great symbol used to be the ticker tape, ticking
>>>>>
>>>> out
>>>
>>>> unpredictable
>>>>>  fortunes rising and falling every second, a great symbol of luck.
>>>>> Luck.
>>>>>
>>>> When E.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> B. White
>>>>>  wrote, 'If you want to live in New York you should be willing to be
>>>>>
>>>> lucky,' he
>>>
>>>> meant not just
>>>>>  'lucky' but willing to be lucky - that is, Dynamic. If you cling to
>>>>>
>>>> some set
>>>
>>>> static pattern,
>>>>>
>>>>> when opportunity comes you won't take it. You have to hang loose, and
>>>>>
>>>> when the
>>>
>>>> time
>>>>>
>>>>> comes to be lucky, then be lucky: that's Dynamic.
>>>>>
>>>>> clearly pirsig means "ass rape" when he uses the term "lucky"
>>>>>
>>>>> but he will not admit it. Pirsig states that we must seize the
>>>>>
>>>> opportunity to
>>>
>>>> rape
>>>>> and torture at every opportunity.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the real MoQ
>>>>>
>>>>> The one Pirsig meant
>>>>>  it is so obviouse
>>>>>
>>>>> the rest of you morons refuse to discuss the
>>>>> one true MoQ, the MoRaT interpetation.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Ro
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: X Acto<xacto at rocketmail.com>
>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:50:26 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&  thinking
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the theory is "nothing is real"
>>>>> test that theory by standing in traffic
>>>>> or jumping off a building.
>>>>>
>>>>> see what happens
>>>>>
>>>>> please
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: Magnus Berg<McMagnus at home.se>
>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>> Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:24:25 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] inorganic patterns&  thinking
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2010-07-19 11:17, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sight at its very least is not about identified objects, only form and
>>>>>> color.  But one can experience sight sans even form and color too.
>>>>>> It is ALL conceived.  It's useful and I wouldn't throw away any but
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> arrogance of thinking the "real" has been realized.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Arrogance is there in SOM, yes, because in SOM, there's no other
>>>>>
>>>> relationship
>>>
>>>> between the perceived object in your head and the object observed.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in MoQ, we know that there *is* a direct dependency from our
>>>>>
>>>> internal image
>>>
>>>> of the object, to the reality of the object via the levels. I'm not
>>>>>
>>>> saying that
>>>
>>>> your brain is supported by *that* stone, but I'm saying that your brain
>>>>>
>>>> is
>>>
>>>> supported by inorganic patterns just *like* a stone.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, in SOM, ALL is conceived. But in MoQ, where we have the level
>>>>>
>>>> dependency and
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> know that our internal "minds" are supported by inorganic patterns, we
>>>>>
>>>> can know
>>>
>>>> that there are inorganic patterns. From there, I don't think it's
>>>>>
>>>> arrogant
>>>
>>>> anymore to give the stone a status of real.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Magnus
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