[MD] Babylonian intellectuals

[Mary]

Thanks for the post, Dave.  I'll look for the book.  There's no such thing
as too much understanding.

Mary

- The most important thing you will ever make is a realization.


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> bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of David Thomas
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:25 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Babylonian intellectuals
> 
> >>[DMB]
> >> Despite that flaw....
> >>
> >> "a culture that supports the dominance of intellectual values over
> social
> >> values is absolutely superior to one that does not." (311)
> >>
> >
> > [Platt]
> > You leave the impression by taking this quote out of context that
> Pirsig
> > supports your dull-city, liberty-smothering  socialist-communist
> allegiance.
> > And you accuse me of intellectual dishonesty?
> 
> >>[DMB]
> >> I think it's a real fight and it matters quite a lot who wins.
> 
> [Dave]
> 
> No question that it is "a real fight and it matters quite a lot who
> wins."
> The question is whether the MoQ really brings anything new or better to
> the
> field.
> 
> Arguably if after 15 years of heated discussions here there has been
> little
> or any progress made on he issues surrounding the social and
> intellectual
> levels let alone trying to unravel the mysteries of DQ the answer is
> very
> little. If, as we see in this exchange, (which has remained constant
> and
> consistent over the years) that the the political bias you brought to
> the
> table when you first came in contact with Pirsig's work rules your
> moral
> judgment of ideas, then the MoQ has added little or no value in helping
> advance the decision making process or understanding of reality. Even
> for
> Pirsig.  If ultimately our core understanding of reality is ruled by
> our
> political biases I say let's break out the nukes and get it over with.
> 
> Some time ago Platt suggest to Krimmel that he read "Liberal Fascism"
> by
> Jonah Goldberg. I picked it up of the publisher's overstock table some
> years
> ago and recently made my second pass through it. I suggest that
> everyone,
> but particularly DMB, read it if you haven't. Pay particular attention
> to
> the relationship of pragmatism, William James, and John Dewey to
> socialism
> and more importantly fascism. Yes it is a decidedly conservative POV
> but if
> it's "a real fight and it matters quite a lot who wins" you might like
> to be
> familiar with the past battles and the lives sacrificed in the name of
> social/political bias.
> 
> Dave
> 
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