[MD] Bo's weak versus strong interpretation of quantum physiks

[Krimel]

[Platt]
The source of SOM is not the issue. I guess you would claim the source is
the brain.
Whatever the source, the process is the same -- subjects observing objects,
a.k.a., I think, therefore I am.

[Krimel]
That doesn't even make sense in Cartesian terms. The cogito does not produce
the mind body problem that is derived from Descartes elaborations on the one
toehold of certainty he could find. How you can equate a supernatural
theistic world view with SOM is entirely a mystery.

[Platt]
I think (subject), therefore I am (objective state of being). Get it? The
real 
mystery is how you think I equated a supernatural theistic world view with
SOM. 

[Krimel]
I think (subject), therefore I am (subjective state of being). Get it there
is not objective there are at all. Descartes moves on from here to derive
objectives but at this point it is just solipsism. 

The Academy includes theology departments where many hold to a supernatural
theistic world view. If you do not think this is SOM then the Academy cannot
be entirely dominated by SOM. Bob Jones University and a host slightly less
dogmatic institutions were chiefly founded, motivated, driven and
administered by religious organizations which are not SOM. Institutions in
exist as part of the academy in India, China and throughout the Orient which
have other than SOM world views.
  
[Platt]
Well, why don't you clue us in to whatever they did "beyond SOM? I'm not 
familiar with Shannon but I know Mandelbrot funished us all with some pretty

patterns. Is there a clue about a "world beyond SOM" there somewhere?

[Krimel]
In information theory the world is composed of information not subjects or
objects. In fractal geometry the world is not composed of discrete static
units of space and/or time but is continuous and dynamic. It is
deterministic but not predicatable.
   
[Platt]
Without taxing the production of the private sector the government couldn't 
finance a lollipop much less waste billions of dollars on a super collider,
for 
just one example. To offer balance I remind you that government is legalized

force.

[Krimel]
Without a government the private sector wouldn't have any money or
infrastructure to conduct its business. By isolating the legal use of force
to government we avoid having it used willy nilly in acts of barbarism.

[Krimel]
You are the one who consistently measure political virtue in terms of body
counts. Your second sentence is simply inintelligible.

[Platt]
I constantly do what? Please cite example of my use of "body counts." The 
second sentence is all about the government treating individuals as
faceless, 
nameless bodies, leaving the individual little choice.  

[Krimel]
You constantly remind us of the body counts racked up by Pol Pot, Stalin,
Hitler and whoever else comes to mind and you have defended our genocide of
native tribes and the murder and abuse of slaves on the basis of us having
killed fewer of them.

Universal health care in fact expands our range of choices. When you are
sick those choices get severely restricted until you are well and if you
don't have the funds to pay for treatment you can lose your home and your
life savings. In nearly everything it does liberal democracy expands the
potential and opportunities for its citizens.