[MD] Levels in electronic computers

[Magnus Berg]

>> [Krimel]
>> But DQ is not restricted to living things either. One could as easily say
>> that whenever you have rocks you have DQ.
>
> [Magnus]
> Sure. It's actually quite hard to accomplish an environment where DQ
> doesn't affect anything. The inner workings of a computer comes pretty
> close though.
>
> [Krimel]
> DQ is not a force. It is not something that effects anything at all. It is a
> way of describing the effect of any number of forces that do have effects.

I didn't say it was a force, but it definitely affect events. Without 
it, everything would be static and dead.

> [Mangus]
> I wouldn't say it's *just* a biological evolutionary survival strategy.
> All new levels are survival strategies, but they are also new moral
> steps on the level ladder. Biology (or rather DQ) is just the agent that
> is able to climb that ladder without outside help.
>
> [Krimel]
> I don't think "survival" is a meaningful term outside of the context of
> biology. Nor do I think biology is an agent.

I do, and I do.


> [Magnus]
> But I just said it does offer something substantial. And I bother
> because I care about the MoQ, and I'm trying to save it from being
> transformed into something ludicrous by the hardheaded and clueless.
>
> [Krimel]
> Ok then my questions is what? I would add, why?

As I said before:

incorporated in the MoQ, with the other levels and the discreteness and 
dependence, I think it *is* quite a step forward.

What do you mean "why"?

> How is that savior thing working out so far?

It would be quite easier and more rewarding if someone tried to be 
serious here now and then.

	Magnus