[MD] Babylonian intellectuals

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Platt

27 July you wrote:

> Good explanation why some appear fearful of your MOQ stance. Thanks.
> P.S. Prepared to be pelted with personal attacks and negative
> innuendos.

Thanks It's been quite a shoot-out of late and can this continue this 
way? (I ask myself) Neither party is running out of ammo it seems 
Well, at least - after ten plus years - we have honed out the basic 
difference between the MOQ and the false kind that poses as the 
MOQ but is SOM in a thin Q guise. One may call it the SOQ, but we 
have enough acronymes. Thanks also to Marsha, Mary and Mati, I 
know you all have your own unique  reason for going against the 
distorters.   

Bodvar













> 
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:30 AM, <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Arlo
> >
> > 25 July :
> >
> > [Bo] before
> > > Arlo has become a mean little Jr. of late and his "agony" over us
> > > strong interpreters i a little pathetic...
> >
> > [Arlo]
> > > Arlo's only "agony", I can assure you, is the embarrassment felt
> > > at watching your blind quest for "interpretative legitimacy" lead
> > > you all to new depths of dishonesty and distortion.
> >
> > Hold your fire. Pirsig's must be the strangest case in the Western
> > cultural history by 1) presenting a system that will abolish
> > academical philosophy (philosophology) by 2) postulating that it -
> > with a welter rational disciplines - is the last and topmost level
> > in a system of levels that violently resist being moved down inside
> > the hierarchy.
> >
> > Now, the MOQ is no level, but its treatment of the topmost -
> > intellectual - level is at least as humiliating for intellect as
> > intellect's own was for the social level. This intellect vs. society
> > struggle isn't over and intellect's resistance to the MOQ will be no
> > less protracted , Not by violence, but by intellect's means, it will
> > not allow itself to be reduced from thinking itself to the static
> > value of a thinking subject/objective world.
> >
> > Intellect wants by all means to keep the MOQ an intellectual pattern
> > as such safely inside its domain and you - intellect's henchmen -
> > have already given us a show of its methods no less fierce than the
> > social- intellect struggle which is waged on society's home turf -
> > violence. The intellect vs MOQ will be with intellect's non-lethal
> > weapons, but no less effective.
> >
> > > This whole "strong interpreter" nonsense is just part and parcel
> > > of that. Once again, Bo, take your argument to its only valid
> > > ground, champion the cause that YOUR ideas are BETTER than
> > > Pirsig's.
> >
> > See, you want it all shifted to an inter-academic dispute, harmless
> > for intellect that happily sees countless "intellectual patterns" -
> > i.e. ideas - pop up and compete, but there is just one MOQ and it is
> > the one that reduces intellect from its role in SOM  - as mind - to
> > SOM itself, so this your trap we will not wander into. Thank you..
> >
> > > So long as you remain trapped in your prison of interpretative
> > > legitimacy, however, you are all just proving how intellectually
> > > worthless the SOL truly is.
> >
> > Granted, the MOQ is intellectually worthless - just as worthless as
> > intellect looked to society in its time. It's outright dangerous and
> > its creator Phaedrus was treated accordingly by intellect's immune
> > apparatus. The recuperated Pirsig did no longer dare forward the
> > strong MOQ only the watered-down version where the intellectual
> > level had been reduced to - on one page SOM itself, to the next page
> > where it is back to SOM's mind.
> >
> > > And when that intellectual vacuum produces nothing but the
> > > dishonest talk-radio bombast that it has, you are damn straight
> > > that anyone with any shame whatsoever will become "mean".
> >
> > All this is expected from intellect's quarters, but as long as the
> > MOQ holds water I'm not very worried. Phaedrus blasted the trail and
> > as you - intellect's henchmen - are committed to argue from MOQ's
> > premises you are forced to land in the MOQ.
> >
> > Bodvar
> >
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