[MD] Babylonian intellectuals

[Platt Holden]

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:33 AM, <skutvik at online.no> wrote:

> Hi Platt
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> 27 July you wrote:
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> > Good explanation why some appear fearful of your MOQ stance. Thanks.
> > P.S. Prepared to be pelted with personal attacks and negative
> > innuendos.
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> Thanks It's been quite a shoot-out of late and can this continue this
> way? (I ask myself) Neither party is running out of ammo it seems
> Well, at least - after ten plus years - we have honed out the basic
> difference between the MOQ and the false kind that poses as the
> MOQ but is SOM in a thin Q guise. One may call it the SOQ, but we
> have enough acronymes. Thanks also to Marsha, Mary and Mati, I
> know you all have your own unique  reason for going against the
> distorters.
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Hi Bo,
Not that the number who agree or disagree is relevant to the validity of
your views, but let's not forget Joseph Maurer and John Carl also
have indicated general agreement.

Platt





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> > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:30 AM, <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
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> > > Hi Arlo
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> > > 25 July :
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> > > > Arlo has become a mean little Jr. of late and his "agony" over us
> > > > strong interpreters i a little pathetic...
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> > > [Arlo]
> > > > Arlo's only "agony", I can assure you, is the embarrassment felt
> > > > at watching your blind quest for "interpretative legitimacy" lead
> > > > you all to new depths of dishonesty and distortion.
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> > > Hold your fire. Pirsig's must be the strangest case in the Western
> > > cultural history by 1) presenting a system that will abolish
> > > academical philosophy (philosophology) by 2) postulating that it -
> > > with a welter rational disciplines - is the last and topmost level
> > > in a system of levels that violently resist being moved down inside
> > > the hierarchy.
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> > > Now, the MOQ is no level, but its treatment of the topmost -
> > > intellectual - level is at least as humiliating for intellect as
> > > intellect's own was for the social level. This intellect vs. society
> > > struggle isn't over and intellect's resistance to the MOQ will be no
> > > less protracted , Not by violence, but by intellect's means, it will
> > > not allow itself to be reduced from thinking itself to the static
> > > value of a thinking subject/objective world.
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> > > Intellect wants by all means to keep the MOQ an intellectual pattern
> > > as such safely inside its domain and you - intellect's henchmen -
> > > have already given us a show of its methods no less fierce than the
> > > social- intellect struggle which is waged on society's home turf -
> > > violence. The intellect vs MOQ will be with intellect's non-lethal
> > > weapons, but no less effective.
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> > > > This whole "strong interpreter" nonsense is just part and parcel
> > > > of that. Once again, Bo, take your argument to its only valid
> > > > ground, champion the cause that YOUR ideas are BETTER than
> > > > Pirsig's.
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> > > See, you want it all shifted to an inter-academic dispute, harmless
> > > for intellect that happily sees countless "intellectual patterns" -
> > > i.e. ideas - pop up and compete, but there is just one MOQ and it is
> > > the one that reduces intellect from its role in SOM  - as mind - to
> > > SOM itself, so this your trap we will not wander into. Thank you..
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> > > > So long as you remain trapped in your prison of interpretative
> > > > legitimacy, however, you are all just proving how intellectually
> > > > worthless the SOL truly is.
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> > > Granted, the MOQ is intellectually worthless - just as worthless as
> > > intellect looked to society in its time. It's outright dangerous and
> > > its creator Phaedrus was treated accordingly by intellect's immune
> > > apparatus. The recuperated Pirsig did no longer dare forward the
> > > strong MOQ only the watered-down version where the intellectual
> > > level had been reduced to - on one page SOM itself, to the next page
> > > where it is back to SOM's mind.
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> > > > And when that intellectual vacuum produces nothing but the
> > > > dishonest talk-radio bombast that it has, you are damn straight
> > > > that anyone with any shame whatsoever will become "mean".
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> > > All this is expected from intellect's quarters, but as long as the
> > > MOQ holds water I'm not very worried. Phaedrus blasted the trail and
> > > as you - intellect's henchmen - are committed to argue from MOQ's
> > > premises you are forced to land in the MOQ.
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