[MD] Social Intellectual

[Ian Glendinning]

Hi Bo, before I engage with you in good faith again, I'll need two apologies.

The first for the single phrase "Ian may not know what is at stake
...." made in passing to DMB.

Second for your latest insult "Finally a relevant question !!!" (I may
have quoted the number of exclamation marks wrong.) Suggesting I've
not previously asked relevant questions.

Ian

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:17 PM,  <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
> Ian, All.
>
> I'm away from home, living at a place with no internet connection and
> go to a place with such only every other day so my replies may get
> somewhat jumbled. I'll start with this from you of 22 July
>
> I had written:
>> > Rationality - Intellect - must be kept high and dry as the highest
>> > static value, but subordinated a greater system that has the DQ/SQ
>> > matrix as existence's fundament. Your (DMB) suggestion is outright
>> > dangerous: a science introducing rhetorics as criteria!!! The theory
>> > that wins a shouting contest is declared true. Ian may not know what is
>> > at stake,
>
> Ian:
>> Cut out the FUCKING PERSONAL INSULTS Bo, and argue with what people
>> actually say, or just SHUT THE FUCK UP. I'm off to the hills .... sort
>> the DICKHEAD out Horse. Ian
>
> The better I hit the weak interpreters' sore points the more virulent
> your language. I don't see a trace of personal insults in my input
> above, yet you hit the roof. Well as with Krimel I'm not much
> concerned with reprimands from those who don't understand or care
> for the MOQ, but only want to defend the latter day Pirsig. My English
> isn't much, but I notice how sex-fixated you swear-words are, while our
> Scandinavian are "religious".
>
> Well over to yours of
>
> 21 July.
>
>> Hell of a rant Bo, most of it to me seems to convey your SOMist view
>> of Intellect ...
>
> Rant depends on one's position.
>
>> But you clearly believe this line "When will this deeply un-moqish
>> notion about intellect being mental (just concepts) come to an end?"
>> Apart from the pejorative"just" .... in your world intellect is
>> subjects and objects.
>
> When will this silly "intellect as subjects and objects" end? Bring out
> your pen and write this down: The intellectual level is the OBJECTIVE
> attitude that sees itself fighting SUBJECTIVE beliefs. superstition,
> emotions, all that isn't real because it's just in our minds. This is also
> known as RATIONALITY!
>
>> In your words - without resorting to the word mind - how are these
>> subjects and objects held, manipulated, in intellect ?
>
> Finally a relevant question!
> Memory, retrieval and manipulation thereof is biology,  brain is a
> computer with RAM, ROM, Caches and CPU  ... the lot. With animals
> memory is not conveyed by language but by sense impressions but
> nevertheless they think by these processed by the logical gates. I
> believe it was the big neocortex-brained Homo Sapiens that became
> the building block of the social level and with the advent of language
> thinking-as-intelligence was enhanced phenomenally by becoming
> conceptual (that this thinking was in "society's" service goes without
> saying) Then the intellectual level, and as is the level's wont, intellect
> perceived everything as own property, thinking became a subject
> surveying the objective world. And the weak MOQ interpreters are
> stuck at intellect and believe that it can be "expanded" to include the
> MOQ and - granted -  the said "caches" can be filled with MOQ words,
> but that will only be more intellect - more SOM. MOQ's scope is
> infinitely grander, namely to tear loose from intellect and establish a
> higher meta-level that opens the above sketched view of existence.
> But of course intellect have no intention of becoming a sub-set of a
> greater system, the creator himself  was struck down by intellect's
> immune system and the recuperated RMP dropped the radical MOQ
> and under intellect's surveillance he produced the harmless pseudo-
> MOQ that intellect just loves, particularly the "MOQ an intellectual
> pattern", that's its gem.
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> Bodvar
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